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tenthpiper
03-11-2009, 06:04 PM
MY 7/8th set arrivedhttp://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525330_5c33_1.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525330/5c33_1.JPG.html) and upon removing the damaged slide from a tenor drone I encountered this;http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525320_P1060186.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525320/P1060186.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525322_P1060185.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525322/P1060185.JPG.html)

http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525316_P1060173.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525316/P1060173.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525317_P1060172.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525317/P1060172.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525318_P1060181.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525318/P1060181.JPG.html) only this tenor drone is still lined. http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525326_P1060190.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525326/P1060190.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525327_P1060195.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525327/P1060195.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525328_P1060193.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525328/P1060193.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525329_P1060191.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525329/P1060191.JPG.html)
http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525319_P1060183.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525319/P1060183.JPG.html)

To me it looks well used with remains of hemp, under the
Old metal.

They come from The Isle of Mull.

classicbagpipes
03-12-2009, 04:54 AM
These look like the set of MacRae's that I currently play, wood mounts and nickel silver. But I have taken off the no hemp tuning pins for regular hemping, except I did leave the top of the mid section of the bass to show the no hemp tuning pin. This pin was a feature of MacRae pipes, I even have a copy of the patent.

tenthpiper
03-12-2009, 08:13 AM
It was suggested that they could be Henderson retrofitted. Finding hemp under the metal stock slides made me think again.. here's a set of Henderson 7/8th pipes, sorry photos not too good. http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1525332_29b0_1.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1525332/29b0_1.JPG.html)

they look remarkably like my pipes but...

tenthpiper
03-12-2009, 04:29 PM
http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1528439_b1ec_1.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1528439/b1ec_1.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1528440_bf28_1.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1528440/bf28_1.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1528441_4171491.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1528441/4171491.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1528442_8c6c_1.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1528442/8c6c_1.JPG.html)

Glenurquhart
03-12-2009, 06:20 PM
The stocks of this set are Lawrie's. It did not sell for the starting bid of 500 - a shame. Such a pretty instrument, in cocuswood and ivory, should deserve more attention...

Ringo
03-13-2009, 05:10 AM
I know classicbagpipes' MacRae and it looks similar in style to the subject bagpipe. I have also seen Henderson bagpipes retro-ed with MacRae's hempless tuning slide. There's a picture of one on my website. I'm probably leaning toward this being a Henderson that was retro-ed in this manner to "fix" the broken tuning pin. Although I can see why Glenurquhart would say the stocks are Lawrie, I would like to see better pictures first. From what I see, I'm inclined to say Henderson.

Ringo
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tenthpiper
03-13-2009, 06:19 AM
Thanks a lot for your comments Ringo.I think Glenurquhart is referring to the other picture I posted there, of a different set? [I posted other pics while he was writing his post most likely]
Ive been hunting round as much as I can to see what is what, a difficult game huh?! I concur with Ringo at the moment, I was rather hopping to have MacRae! but, jeez not to worry! :-)It does seem that the pin was well worn and hemped when it had the MacRae slide fitted.


http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531028_P1060213.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531028/P1060213.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531029_P1060214.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531029/P1060214.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531030_P1060216.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531030/P1060216.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531031_P1060217.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531031/P1060217.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531032_P1060218.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531032/P1060218.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531033_P1060220.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531033/P1060220.JPG.html)

To my untutored eye the projecting mounts seem distinctive and The curve and flow of the proportions. Although I have absolutely no experience in this I do have a good eye for Antiques courtesy of my father and being surrounded by them from a young age.

For me, I finds the story behind antiques fascinating, I will be enquiring of the previous owner on Mull to see what light he can shed on their history.
I wonder does anyone here have late 19th C cocus Hendersons to compare them too?

ps, right click on the pics open new tab for a better look.

tenthpiper
03-17-2009, 04:14 AM
I wonder, with the sticks, the slides are attached with small wooden pegs, really small, drilled through the stocks. Would that have been be normal? I dont think it was done by the original maker.Have you seen that at all?

Glenurquhart
03-17-2009, 04:47 PM
Thanks a lot for your comments Ringo.I think Glenurquhart is referring to the other picture I posted there, of a different set? [I posted other pics while he was writing his post most likely]
Ive been hunting round as much as I can to see what is what, a difficult game huh?! I concur with Ringo at the moment, I was rather hopping to have MacRae! but, jeez not to worry! :-)It does seem that the pin was well worn and hemped when it had the MacRae slide fitted.


http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531028_P1060213.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531028/P1060213.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531029_P1060214.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531029/P1060214.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531030_P1060216.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531030/P1060216.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531031_P1060217.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531031/P1060217.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531032_P1060218.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531032/P1060218.JPG.html) http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1531033_P1060220.JPG (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1531033/P1060220.JPG.html)

To my untutored eye the projecting mounts seem distinctive and The curve and flow of the proportions. Although I have absolutely no experience in this I do have a good eye for Antiques courtesy of my father and being surrounded by them from a young age.

For me, I finds the story behind antiques fascinating, I will be enquiring of the previous owner on Mull to see what light he can shed on their history.
I wonder does anyone here have late 19th C cocus Hendersons to compare them too?

ps, right click on the pics open new tab for a better look.


THIS bass stock does indeed not look like Lawrie. My post referred to another 3/4 set on ebay. If Ringo confirms that the MacRae slides can be found retrofitted on Henderson's I am with him - the bass stock and tops remind me of my own (full size) Henderson's which were pre-1900. This set looks slightly later, maybe 1900-1910. Several forum members have (full size) Henderson's with period hallmarked silver which provides precise dates for a more thorough stylistic analysis. Hope they see this post. No need to compare to a cocuswood set, the style is independent from the wood. Troy Guindon used to have a set of half silver cocuswood Henderson's of this vintage but he sold it...

Glenurquhart
03-17-2009, 04:49 PM
PS - I would expect pre-1900 metal mounted Henderson's to have metal caps with ivory bushings instead of ivory tops...

tenthpiper
03-18-2009, 05:04 AM
Thanks so much for your help. I wonder if the ferrules might have been replaced to match the slides because they fit very badly. Of course I expect the wood to swell slowly as they rehydrate.I think the dreaded central heating caused the shrinkage. Would the ferrules have been hemped on you think?
As i said above the slides were attached with 4 small wood pins drilled right through the wall, I can see on a couple the end of the pin when I look up the barrel! the bores of the Barrels are lovely, and the wood itself is exquisite.