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Retired.

12-13-2005, 09:38 PM

That noise is underserving of paper... nor a computer monitor... nor the fresh air of this fair planet.

Rufus Harley has multiple CDs (he's bad, but I don't think as bad as that piper --- unless that was the man himself). He does jazz bagpipe stuff. Plays on the "wrong" shoulder. He's on Rob Mathiesons top 5 CDs (printed in P&D). Ever heard of the Roots? it's a rap/hip-hop/jazz band. Anyways... Rufus guests on one of their tracks - Do You Want More?!?!?!?!.... Good music, bad piping. That video was just plain bad piping. No music.

sfdpiper - I would give you some remark of disgust, but... your signature line made me laugh (one of the VERY few signature lines of remotely any value on this site). But the fact that you post from some dark room kind of makes me leary...

kaypiob

12-13-2005, 10:01 PM

It's like a Wicked Tinkers tribute band. . .

Klondike Waldo

12-14-2005, 04:23 PM

Clann na drumma maybe?

Jürgen Rech

12-15-2005, 01:08 AM

"Clann na drumma maybe?"

We have to thank those drummers for covering up his drone sound :eek:

Needs More Tape

12-20-2005, 08:32 PM

Would someone please drop a bomb on that mess.

This is an example of why some people hate bagpipes.

Keir Todd

12-21-2005, 07:35 AM

GRADE VI,
You really need to read the rules about what should be posted to each section of the forum. There is a joke section where this would be much more appropriate and better received.
Cheers,
Keir

caseman

12-21-2005, 09:51 AM

I like it!!!!

(like i would like a slap in the face)

SF Irish Piper

12-21-2005, 01:07 PM

Dude, eww. No.

stu_hig

12-21-2005, 02:45 PM

Heard worse.

WeeManSyndrome

12-21-2005, 04:42 PM

i felt compelled to write something here, as your postings make me laugh/cringe, not only just in this thread, but in many others too.

the majority of you guys who post in this forum are beginners, learners, enthusiasts or lower grade pipers. its six and two three's to me really, but if you had to make a tape of yourself playing your pipe, i'm sure the results would be of similar if not worse standard, so i would quit with the snidey commentsn etc. and no i'm not the piper playing. i just find it extremely funny that you guys are blinkered enough to imagine your own playing is head and shoulders above this guy.

and has been pointed out already, the tune itself will be i imagine written based on the drum rhythms being played. i for one thought it was quite good. music is music. its made upof several elements, rhythm being one of them. This element seems to be lost to the piping world. alltoo often i hear many of the high profile composers rant about many of the modrern compositions lacking melody, the truth is the majority of new compositions lack RHYTHM. its a whole new world which has yet to be explored. modern melodys follow the same lines, but new rhytms can turn them on their head.

the piper in the video demonstrates a rhytmical piece of music, again if u cant see that then its because you have a blinkered and immature and unknowledgable view of the MUSICAL instrument we play.

Nuff said.

WEEMAN

kaypiob

12-21-2005, 11:05 PM

But ideally us 'learners' and 'lower grade' pipers don't go out and busk, allowing ourselves to be taped and posted on the net. I agree, though--it was music, just not pipe music. And it probably would've sounded a whole lot better with a professional start, tuned pipes (still developing my ear, but they sounded out to me), and minus the choke or two he had while playing the tune.

Il GrandiSSSimo

12-22-2005, 12:26 AM

Clan Wallace wannabe? :lol:
anyway i spotted some wrong timed doubling huh? :D
Instead of "help identifying th etune" you should ask us to "help identifying the players" to that we can soon bring them to jail before they are allowed to repeat such a shame show.

Totally crap. Music is other than this NOISE.
See how he tunes his bass drone in the beginning...goofy

Anyway...the ladies entering first have nice legs, this is the most interesting thing of the video.

Giovanni

Adam Sanderson

12-22-2005, 03:31 AM

I've heard worse. A lot worse..........

Itchyknee

12-22-2005, 04:50 AM

Is this the same band?

Piper and drums (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.henniker.org.uk/images/places/local/ed-central/royal/bagpipe_drums00.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.henniker.org.uk/html/ed_high9.htm&h=864&w=1152&sz=261&tbnid=9pA5utIjL0c J:&tbnh=112&tbnw=150&hl=en&start=657&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbagpipes%2B%26start%3D640%26svnum%3D1 0%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-41,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN)

They have admirers and a CD!

Marcus

SerialKilter.

12-22-2005, 11:49 AM

I can't believe you folks, acting like a bunch of jackarses. Grade V1 asked a simple question and you all give him a hard time. Jast flat out rude. Believe me, I have heard much worse than what is on that video. Either crap and answer the question, or get off the pot.

my god

And TLITC, your comment "You want to play that???? Perhaps that's why your in Grade VI..." was totally assnine.

Itchyknee

12-22-2005, 12:01 PM

Serial did you only read down to TLITC's post?

SerialKilter.

12-22-2005, 12:06 PM

Itchy, no, I read the whole thing. A majority were just rude, some just made comments, and NOT ONE addressed the question. Thats why I was ticked.

Aaron M

12-22-2005, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by SerialKilter.:
Itchy, no, I read the whole thing. A majority were just rude, some just made comments, and NOT ONE addressed the question. Thats why I was ticked. I'm with you, SK....

Retired.

12-22-2005, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by SerialKilter.:
A majority were just rude, some just made comments, and NOT ONE addressed the question. Thats why I was ticked. Well, well, well... It looks like poor "ticked-off" SerialKilter was just as rude or worse... "Jackarses"??? And you certainly didn't answer the question, either... Lay off it a bit, eh?

SerialKilter.

12-22-2005, 10:01 PM

Well, well, well... It looks like poor "ticked-off" SerialKilter was just as rude or worse... "Jackarses"??? And you certainly didn't answer the question, either... Lay off it a bit, eh?
C'mon dude. Reread your reply and honestly look at me in the eye and tell me that you didn't think you sounded like an ass. Was that necessary?. Was your comment really really that necessary?.

If I had an answer, I would have gave it to him. If I can answer someones question, I will. If not, I will leave it alone. What I won't do is make retarded comments like yours and insult people because I have nothing better to do.

Get a life, other then ripping on someone who wants to know the name of a tune.. :rolleyes:

Retired.

12-23-2005, 10:40 AM

"sounded like an ass"... "retarded comments like yours"... "get a life"... And yet you say that you don't "insult people"?????? Serial, Serial, Serial... I'm deeply insulted by your comments, because as you say, I have no life outside of Dunsire, and my happiness rests on the approval of my other forumites... suuure. Needless to say, you still haven't answered the question.

Btw, my first comment was a joke (as with most of my comments). If it was tasteless, I apologize.

Grade VI

12-23-2005, 10:33 PM

I didn't take it as a joke, and you certainly didn't include an emoticon to indicate it as such. I'm really not surprised that you get off on making fun of beginners. And your comment wasn't tasteless--just insulting and of course lacking any imagination.

My screenname is a form of self-deprecating humor, but it certainly applied to me at the time I registered here. I'm going to be competing in a PC contest soon, but I doubt if I'll be changing my screenname to Grade V. I've just ordered my first set of pipes today.

nmpiper

12-24-2005, 08:51 AM

come on grade vi, if you're going to use a screenname of "grade vi" you shouldn't get offended when someone makes a mention of it.

Highland Harry

12-24-2005, 10:02 AM

Regardless of the screen name, I don't believe it's a license to try belittle the man.

I am so glad that most of you feel entitled to judge a performer on a 30 second clip that doesn't provide enough information to make some of the comments I've read here.

It's obvious the hemp on his bass drone was too tight and needed both hands to adjust it, what's the problem with that as we've all been there a few times ourselves.

It's obvious he just picked the pipes out of the box and had no chance to tune, hence the sharp pitch from a dry pipe.

I suspect the player is far more advanced than some here give him credit for as he's playing something far off the beaten path which most advanced players try on a daily basis.

Maybe he's just fed up playing Scotland the Brave and the usual tripe?

Itchyknee

12-24-2005, 11:10 AM

There's a programme on ITV1 right now called Ant and Dec's Takeaway and you'll never guess who has just came on. It's our piper from the clip and his drummers. He was playing the exact same tune. He fairly got the studio audience going.

They called themselves the Saor Patrol and are with the Clanranald trust for Scotland. Perhaps you can email them to ask the name of the tune in the vid.

Clanranald (http://www.clanranald.org/web/saor.asp)

Marcus

Grade VI

12-25-2005, 02:13 PM

Wow, thank you very much, Itchyknee. They also have a website, www.saorpatrol.com. (http://www.saorpatrol.com)

Seriously, do you (most of the respondents on this tread) really hate this tune, or just the performance aspects such as bad tuning, crossing sounds, etc? If you hate the tune, why? Is it just because it's non-traditional?

To me, music is a matter of taste, which is fine. But some people on here seemed offended by the video, which I don't understand.

Jürgen Rech

12-25-2005, 03:33 PM

OK - Grade VI

I was the first poster to answer your request and showed that I don't like - in a rather indifferent way.

Now I watched the site of the band listened to their music and can tell you details:

- pipes not in tune, scale not and drones not,

- he's playing totally his "own style" - no gracenotes or movements like we do but some simple gracings he might have taken from listening to whistle playing

- they are catching visitors and admirers(?) solely through their show that is being actors in wild costumes and musicians with "rough" instruments - wild men (bearded and dressed in fur) with hugh and loud drums and a "natural" bagpipe. There's no tuning needed nor practising clean fingering.

In the "Profiles" it reads about the piper:

"Chick has only been playing pipes for a few years. Already a talented musician(accordion,fiddle) he gained both inspiration and confidence on the pipes,encouraged by other pipers and drummers while working on a film set."

So that's it: learn to finger the scale, take some gracings you are used to from your fiddle or accordeon and inspiration and confidence do the rest. Not my world.

My summery: This may have its own rights for historising shows or something but this is not by any means pipemusic in the sense of "Scottish bagpipe music" be it trad. or modern. This is something totally different and I don't like it.

Jurgen

nmpiper

12-25-2005, 05:29 PM

Itchyknee

12-27-2005, 04:18 PM

I heard somewhere that the bagpipes are a musical instrument, i.e. an instrument for playing music*. If Saor Patrol play music that people like, then good on them. Aye, the piper missed out embellishments and what not, but with the drums, they played something that, in my opinion, was enjoyable.

If you can, for a moment, stand back and forget your piping training and just listen to the clip I'm sure you'll find it entertaining.

I've heard far worse pipers trying to squeak out a traditional pipe tune at a wedding with pipes that sounded like they hadn't been played for a decade. I neither like the tune nor dislike it. I prefer hearing a good march or jig played on the pipes but would never, ever, dismiss something just because it sounded unconventional.

All the best,

Marcus

*see Mark Saul's Mixalodian CD

Don Robertson

12-27-2005, 05:21 PM

I dig the drums though. Anyone know anything about them.
Oh yea, Celts didn't have bagpipes, even though the SCA thinks they did.

nmpiper

12-27-2005, 06:19 PM

*see Mark Saul's Mixolydian CD Although unconventional, Mark plays in tune, with great skill and accuracy. I don't think they are on anywhere near the same level of "unconventionality".

Itchyknee

12-27-2005, 07:08 PM

nmpiper, I was refering to track 8 (It's an Instrument) on Mark Saul's CD. If you've not listened to the track I suggest you do. The jist of it is that the bagpipe is a instrument for playing music not just an instrument for playing bagpipe music.

Listen and Learn.

Cheers,

Marcus

nmpiper

12-29-2005, 08:41 PM

oohhhh gotcha, I always thought of it as: bagpipers should treat their bagpipes like any other musican treats for their instrument. To take care of it and treat it like a "musical" instrument, not just a "military" thing. But I see your point.

nmpiper

12-29-2005, 08:43 PM

oohhhh gotcha, I always thought of it as: bagpipers should treat their bagpipes like any other musican treats their instrument. To take care of it and treat it like a "musical" instrument, not just a "military" thing. But I see your point.

Rich Mayo

12-29-2005, 09:21 PM

"Fun with Scary Drummers"
or perhaps
"Scaring the Innocent"

Regardless, I quite enjoyed the tune -- great foot-tapping number. No clue what it's called though.

Don't let the whiners get you down, some people just don't understand the value of fun playing...

ghettopipes

12-30-2005, 02:13 AM

c'mon
it's not that bad people.
i'd really like to get up on the soap box and tell all the enol bagpipe fascists/nerds exactly what WEEMAN said previously,but he since he already said it....
anyway,these guys are punk rock.so it lacked typical gracings and was a bit out of tune. it sounded like decent improv to me, the guy was playing on time.
the drums were cool. i think i prefer pipe music with this kind of drumming. this is most likely what pipe music sounded like 400+ years ago, before the military assimilated and standardized piping into its institution. 0ld school piping was probably much like this...balls out and somewhat crusty but still rythmic and musical.

cheers

SerialKilter.

12-30-2005, 07:49 AM

But bad tuning really grates on my nerves. If his pipes were a little bit out of tune that'd be one thing, but his pipes are horrendously out of tune. It makes me want to vomit. It's this crap that gives US a bad name.
Actually, what gives piping a bad name is dependant on the audience your playing for. For people like you, me, and other pipers on this forum, its very easy to criticize because we know what we are doing. If you can judge tuning by a streaming video clip, then I'd say more power to ya. I however, cannot judge something based on this but would have to see it live before I could make an opinion. I have never seen an online video clip of a piper that has sounded good IMHO. :bleh: or a :thumb:

kaypiob

12-30-2005, 09:09 AM

It might not be as apparent on the video clip, but go to their website and it's enough to give someone a headache. Sure it doesn't matter if your audience has no idea, but there's always the chance that there is someone out there listening who is more of an expert than you are, and you should always play (no matter what instrument) as if that one person were in the audience.

someguynamedsam

12-30-2005, 09:43 AM

"Sure it doesn't matter if your audience has no idea"
I seem to be hearing this sentiment a lot lately on the forum, and I don't buy it. BUT as you go on to say, Kayla:

"you should always play (no matter what instrument) as if that one person were in the audience."
I agree 100%! Some of us live in areas where the audience will virtually NEVER have an idea. No reason to play down to their expectations.

(I wish I knew how to do the cool quote thing like you more seasoned forumites. This is the best I could do.)

David Spiers

12-30-2005, 10:49 AM

Sam,
You'll see a little inverted commas symbol along the top of every post. Just go to whoever's post you want to quote, and click the symbol. For example the following was quoted by me clicking the little symbol above your post. Hope this helps!

Originally posted by someguynamedsam:
(I wish I knew how to do the cool quote thing like you more seasoned forumites. This is the best I could do.)

someguynamedsam

12-30-2005, 10:57 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by David Spiers:
[QB] Hope this helps!

How's this?
Thanks, David :thumb:

CreekNation

12-30-2005, 11:08 AM

I think one of the most satisfying compliments a piper can get is when someone comes up and says "I never knew the bagpipes could sound like that!" (In a good way, of course) :wink:

SerialKilter.

12-30-2005, 11:22 AM

Let me clarify my statement. You always, always, and always should try and sound your best regardless of the audience. Im very anal about this. I always spend alot of time tuning even if only playing for a few minutes.

I was referring to the comment Itchyknee made about getting the audience going. I assume he meant the audience was into it. If thats the case, even with this pipers tuning not slightly up to everyone on this forums standards, then I don't think we will have a problem with people in this particular audience running off and telling everybody how much they hate the bagpipes.

I've listened to the website Kayla and again, this is streaming audio which to me, always sounds crappy.

Go onto the website of the Wicked Tinkers, http://cdbaby.com/cd/wickedtinkers5 and play anyone of their clips. Now, put all the technical stuff and music aside and just listen to the tuning. Compare both and you will find that either clip is not that great. I have seen Aaron Shaw live with the Wicked Tinkers and its a much different story. They rock.

nmpiper

12-30-2005, 11:23 AM

Serial,

I don't give a crap what the masses think of us. What I despise is how poorly other musicians think of us/bagpipers. Which is what I meant by saying "It's this crap that gives US a bad name." because other musicians can't stand horrible tuning, etc.

SerialKilter.

12-30-2005, 11:43 AM

Likewise nmpiper

I don't like bad tuning either however, I dissagree with you in that you don't care what the masses think of you. Maybe you should. For me, I don't play for "other bagpipers" or musicians. I play for the general masses, the folks you don't care about.

But regardless, I don't pass judgement based on this audio clip. If its recorded in poor quality, it sure is gonna sound poor tuning wise on a computer. The bagpipe is not like any other instrument. It just sounds bad recorded period unless its done with high quality equipment and even then, I have to adjust my stereo to make it tolerable, i.e worlds cd's.

nmpiper

12-30-2005, 01:48 PM

Danny,

We posted previously at almost the same time. Therefore, I didn't get to read your post previous to my previous post further clarify your views...anyway back to the subject at hand, I guess we are just different in that respect. I mainly play for myself, other bagpipers, and musicians. I'm not an entertainer, and I don't strive to be one.

CreekNation

12-30-2005, 02:12 PM

If you're not entertaining, you're not a musician.

nmpiper

12-30-2005, 02:23 PM

...definition of a musician from dictionary.com reads as follows:

musician (noun): One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music.

Creek Nation please be a dear and explain to me what being a musician has to do with being entertaining?

CreekNation

12-30-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by nmpiper:
Creek Nation please be a dear and explain to me what being a musician has to do with being entertaining? Like Louis Armstrong said, "Brother, if you don't know, I can't tell you." :wink:

SerialKilter.

12-30-2005, 02:33 PM

I mainly play for myself, other bagpipers, and musicians. I'm not an entertainer, and I don't strive to be one.
Thats understandable. :thumb:

Me, I like to entertain but part of that is because I do many solo gigs so it comes with the territory.

I think by creeknations definition is that part of being a musician is performing music. Just the word performing constitutes "in front of other people" whether a crowd of onlookers, other musicians, pigs, cows, or whatever. Some people have a knack for this, some don't. Some people have a knack and don't want to, some people do.

cheers

CreekNation

12-30-2005, 02:54 PM

Ain't nobody gonna listen to you unforced if you aren't entertaining. Music=entertainment. If you're a real Musician, you should share your joy and artistry with the unwashed masses. It's a win-win thing.

If you suck, practice. Alone, or with a tutor.

CreekNation

12-30-2005, 03:07 PM

Eric M

12-30-2005, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by CreekNation:
Music=entertainment. If it's music, then it's entertaining. If it's entertaining, then it's music.... hmmm :humm:

If a tree falls over in a forest, but no one is around to hear it, does it make any sound? .... If you're not entertaining someone, is it music?... hmmm. :humm:

Eric

SerialKilter.

12-30-2005, 04:09 PM

If a tree falls over in a forest, but no one is around to hear it, does it make any sound?
as a matter of fact, why yes it does. The vibration caused when objects are combined ( in this case a tree falling on a forest brush )would produce sound. Most likely from the tree falling on other branches below, duh.... :D

If you're not entertaining someone, is it music?... hmmm.
ummmm no, its dull?.. :shrug:

Geez eric, music is only one source of entertainment. Man, your so literal.. :wave: