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pancelticpiper 01-06-2019 08:21 AM

Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes
 
There are many more scales than the familiar Major, minor, Mixolydian, and so forth.

One is the scale called Hijaz Makam, Ahavah Rabboh, or Freygish.

It has a Major 3rd but a minor 2nd. The upper half of the scale is an ordinary minor scale with minor 6th and 7th.

In Western Art Music terminology it's called the Harmonic minor scale. This of course is a misnomer because the scale has a Major 3rd.

In any case it can be heard in Israeli, Arabic, and Bulgarian music (and I'm sure many other musics).

Here's a quick video I did showing this scale on the Highland pipes and two tunes which use this scale, the folk dances Zemeratik and Hava Nagila.

(As you can see I'm in the bathroom:doh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeqIktkn7Ls

pancelticpiper 01-06-2019 08:51 AM

Re: Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes
 
Sorry I should have explained what the Hijaz Makam/Freygish/Ahava Rabboh scale on the Highland chanter consists of:

Low G, Low A, B flat, C sharp, D, E, F natural, High G, High A.

The notes in boldface aren't normal Highland pipe notes.

I hear pipers all the time playing Hava Nagila using C natural and ordinary B when the scale in fact has the B flattened and the chanter's ordinary C (C sharp). I think they're hearing that there's a flattened note somewhere, and they happen to put it in the wrong place.

CalumII 01-06-2019 11:19 AM

Re: Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes
 
Only two native to the GHB I can think of - Gordon Duncan's The Belly Dancer, and Fraser Fifield's Glen Kabul. Both very effective tunes.

Patrick McLaurin 01-06-2019 11:54 AM

Re: Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes
 
Very informative, thank you!

Klondike Waldo 01-06-2019 02:20 PM

Re: Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pancelticpiper (Post 1333952)
SNIP

In Western Art Music terminology it's called the Harmonic minor scale. This of course is a misnomer because the scale has a Major 3rd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeqIktkn7Ls




In Western Art Music terminology Harmonic Minor ( A, B, Cnat, D, E Fnat G# A) as opposed to Natural Minor evolved to allow a V7-I resolution in an otherwise n minor tune. It solved a harmonic problem. it also created a melodic problem in that it had a (very foreign-sounding) augmented 2nd between the 6th and 7th steps- not so bad going up, but "alien" coming down. So…… then we had the Melodic Minor Scale to solve that problem- (A B Cnat D, E, F#, G# A) going up and the Natural minor scale coming down.


At least that's what was drilled into us Music Majors in Theory and Harmony classes a lifetime ago.

CalumII 01-06-2019 04:46 PM

Re: Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes
 
Just to avoid any confusion - the hijaz scale is the same as starting on the fifth degree of the harmonic minor. Whether that makes them the same thing is a question I leave to the floor...

pancelticpiper 01-06-2019 06:19 PM

Re: Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes
 
Yes I took music theory at university too... what I was alluding to is that people schooled in Western music, when confronted with Hijaz mode, invariably call it Harmonic minor. Same scale, different purpose...

Klondike Waldo 01-07-2019 05:41 AM

Re: Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pancelticpiper (Post 1333968)
Yes I took music theory at university too... what I was alluding to is that people schooled in Western music, when confronted with Hijaz mode, invariably call it Harmonic minor. Same scale, different purpose...

…And different starting point, making it the harmonic minor equivalent of Mixolydian mode:thumb:


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