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Patrick McLaurin 08-14-2018 08:01 AM

What the Masters are playing
 
I was watching the Masters Solo Piping Competition rerun on livestream this morning and saw what I thought was Jack Lee playing a Shepherd chanter based on the sole/foot of the chanter. Not sure why that stood out to me.

His MSR starts around 9(h):18(m)

https://livestream.com/innerear/even...deos/178879259

Anything else stand out to anyone?

el gaitero 08-14-2018 08:14 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Early on, Ian K playing a (vintage?) saucer soled chanter in his pibroch.

I think I agree about Jack with a Shepherd. Maybe no surprise?.

Texas Gael 08-14-2018 08:53 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick McLaurin (Post 1330045)
I was watching the Masters Solo Piping Competition rerun on livestream this morning and saw what I thought was Jack Lee playing a Shepherd chanter based on the sole/foot of the chanter. Not sure why that stood out to me.

His MSR starts around 9(h):18(m)

https://livestream.com/innerear/even...deos/178879259

Anything else stand out to anyone?

Jack is also playing a bagpipe turned by his son. He was here teaching a two day workshop the past two Novembers, so I got to hear him up close and personal. Outstanding instrument and tone. This coming November Ian MacDonald will be the instructor as Jack can't make it this year. Have had instruction from Ian as well.

Enjoyed the streaming of the Masters' Competition, a lot of excellent piping.

Cheers -

Wes

piper_hm 08-14-2018 09:09 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by el gaitero (Post 1330046)
Early on, Ian K playing a (vintage?) saucer soled chanter in his pibroch.

I think I agree about Jack with a Shepherd. Maybe no surprise?.

Ian K plays an old Naill, late 70's I believe.

el gaitero 08-14-2018 09:18 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Gael (Post 1330047)
Jack is also playing a bagpipe turned by his son. He was here teaching a two day workshop the past two Novembers, so I got to hear him up close and personal. Outstanding instrument and tone. This coming November Ian MacDonald will be the instructor as Jack can't make it this year. Have had instruction from Ian as well.

Enjoyed the streaming of the Masters' Competition, a lot of excellent piping.

Cheers -

Wes

Thx. I was wondering...the ‘unique’ mount on the blowstick made me think they were maybe old XX pipes with full ivory....so wondered more how he escaped CAN with them and got into UK on the other side.

HighlandPark 08-14-2018 09:29 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick McLaurin (Post 1330045)
...and saw what I thought was Jack Lee playing a Shepherd chanter based on the sole/foot of the chanter. Not sure why that stood out to me.

His MSR starts around 9(h):18(m)

Yes, it looks like a Shepherd MK3. I have one that pitches around 476-478 Hz and it appears like the chanter Jack was playing was pitching at ~483 Hz, so probably not unreasonable.

I really like the MK3. It's easy to reed and sounds great. I carry it as a back-up but should play it more. Here's an image of mine, all grunged out:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pM...A=w829-h431-no

Patrick McLaurin 08-14-2018 09:29 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Gael (Post 1330047)
This coming November Ian MacDonald will be the instructor as Jack can't make it this year.

Sounds like we'll be seeing Ian K returning as a judge for the competition in Salado?

Shawn Husk 08-14-2018 10:50 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Thanks Patrick for posting about this. Now I know what I'll be doing for the next several hours lol.

And yes 100% that's a Shepherd chanter Jack is playing. I also concur they are excellent chanters in every way. Easy to reed, great tone and super easy to work with.

Patrick McLaurin 08-14-2018 11:16 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Yeah, I’ve been listening the MSR all morning. I’m strongly considering adopting Shepherd Mk3 for my band. Excellent pitch and basically the same spacing as a Kyo.

Texas Gael 08-14-2018 01:19 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick McLaurin (Post 1330052)
Sounds like we'll be seeing Ian K returning as a judge for the competition in Salado?

I am guessing that he is, usually the instructor for the Georgetown FD P&D workshop stays over to judge the Salado Games. I'll be there for the first time since 1993 competing with a new Grade IV band.

Cheers -

Wes

Texas Gael 08-14-2018 01:22 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by el gaitero (Post 1330049)
Thx. I was wondering...the ‘unique’ mount on the blowstick made me think they were maybe old XX pipes with full ivory....so wondered more how he escaped CAN with them and got into UK on the other side.

No, the mounts are not ivory, they're boxwood and holly. I thought Jack's set was holly, but I might be wrong.

https://www.tartantown.com/collections/lee-sons

Cheers -

Wes

Shawn Husk 08-14-2018 02:03 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Chanters and pitches from the MSR contest.

Okay here's what I've got, these are my best guesses. I may have gotten a couple of them wrong and if so please correct me. In a lot of the video it was very hard to get a clear shot of the chanter bulb and sole so I did the best I could here. I used the Blair App to take an overall average for the pitches listed. The ones with question marks are my best guesses, all the others I'm 95% sure I'm right.

All I have to say about this competition is wow! What a huge field. I would not want to be one of the judges. What a great contest to listen to. My favorite performance was Alan Bevan. Nice to see and hear him playing. Great Wilson was also a treat.

There was one unknown chanter where I didn't even have a guess, the closest thing I can come up with is a modern RG Hardie but I don't have one so not 100%. I got a good screen shot of it with the foot and the bulb but I have no idea. I don't have any chanter in my collection that looks exactly like it. Sometimes when pipers get soles attached it makes it very hard to tell who made the chanter....

Jack Lee - Shepherd 483
Brian Donaldson - Donaldson Master chanter 486
Andrew Carlisle - Naill 484
Craig Sutherland - Shepherd 485
Ben Duncan - Unknown 483* (see pic below)
Ian K. MacDonald - Naill 484
Willie McCallum - McC2 480
Alastair Lee - Gandy? 484
Bruce Gandy - Gandy 485
Roddy MacLeod - RJM 485
Donald MacPhee - Naill 481
Stuart Liddel - Naill 481
Peter Hunt - Naill 483
Alan Bevan - Henderson 483
Angus MacColl - Strathmore 481
Iain Speirs - McC2? 485
Greg Wilson - Strathmore 484
Glenn Brown - Naill 483
Alex Gandy - Gandy 488
Gordon McCready - Naill 483


https://image.ibb.co/ejv2i9/unknown_chanter.png

Jim Fogelman 08-14-2018 02:27 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick McLaurin (Post 1330056)
Yeah, I’ve been listening the MSR all morning. I’m strongly considering adopting Shepherd Mk3 for my band. Excellent pitch and basically the same spacing as a Kyo.

My band just switched off the Shepherd Mk3 in favor of the Gandy McCallums. I felt like the Shepherd had a longer reach to the LA hole than my Kyo does. The Gandy is pretty bang on the same as the Kyo, though.

I know we were planning on selling off the Shepherds. Not sure if that's happened yet or not.

Madpiper13 08-14-2018 03:34 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Anyone know what Peter Hunt plays? One of the stand out drone configurations ( I was in the audience). Looked to be a button mount Henderson, can anyone confirm?

piper_hm 08-14-2018 04:52 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Shawn, the mystery pic - Ben Duncan plays the newer R.G. Hardie Blackwood chanter with a Shepherd reed.

Shawn Husk 08-14-2018 05:15 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Thanks for confirming that for me! It was driving me crazy. That was the only chanter I could think of it might be.

Patrick McLaurin 08-14-2018 06:40 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
I was quite certain S. Liddell played a Henderson in the past, how confident is the Naill attribution?

Roddy Livingstone 08-14-2018 10:12 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Madpiper13 (Post 1330068)
Anyone know what Peter Hunt plays? One of the stand out drone configurations ( I was in the audience). Looked to be a button mount Henderson, can anyone confirm?

Didn't get to see the Livestream & haven't caught up with it yet, but for many years Peter has played a button mounted set of Glen's.

HighlandPark 08-15-2018 07:19 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Great compilation of chanters and pitches, Shawn, thanks!

I was able to squeeze in viewing a few of the performances and have to say that the sound and video is really quite good, so hat's off to all associated with the broadcasts.

I also appreciate how the solo pitches remain closer to 480 than 490...

HighlandPark 08-15-2018 11:51 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Madpiper13 (Post 1330068)
Anyone know what Peter Hunt plays? One of the stand out drone configurations ( I was in the audience). Looked to be a button mount Henderson, can anyone confirm?

I just listened to Peter's performance online and I would have to agree that there was something that made his drones have a little more depth or comparative presence (though all of the set-ups sounded great). Roddy's assertion that these could well be Glens (and not Hendersons) makes sense, as the only button-mount Hendersons (or Lawries for that matter -- geez, those companies were lock-step for many years!) are the chalice-tops from the 30s-50s. Wood-mounted Hendersons and Lawries are fairly common, and I've been working on a little treatise on the different wood mount types here for those who are interested.

I understand that some Glens can have quite a bit of presence, though I don't suspect Glens are commonly seen at today's top level competitions.

farleyer 08-15-2018 01:45 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
I didn't see the livestream but Peter Hunt normally plays his father's John Center bagpipe

Texas Gael 08-16-2018 10:05 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
https://pipinglive.co.uk/watch-online/

Piping Live has the Masters' Competition archived on its web site so you can watch it anytime. They've also archived the lunchtime concerts.

Cheers -

Wes

Matt Weasner 08-16-2018 11:40 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Nice work, Shawn! Now how bout what drones + drone reeds they are all playin'? :wink::roflmao:

Seriously - thanks!! :hatoff:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn Husk (Post 1330064)
Chanters and pitches from the MSR contest.

Okay here's what I've got, these are my best guesses. I may have gotten a couple of them wrong and if so please correct me. In a lot of the video it was very hard to get a clear shot of the chanter bulb and sole so I did the best I could here. I used the Blair App to take an overall average for the pitches listed. The ones with question marks are my best guesses, all the others I'm 95% sure I'm right.

All I have to say about this competition is wow! What a huge field. I would not want to be one of the judges. What a great contest to listen to. My favorite performance was Alan Bevan. Nice to see and hear him playing. Great Wilson was also a treat.

There was one unknown chanter where I didn't even have a guess, the closest thing I can come up with is a modern RG Hardie but I don't have one so not 100%. I got a good screen shot of it with the foot and the bulb but I have no idea. I don't have any chanter in my collection that looks exactly like it. Sometimes when pipers get soles attached it makes it very hard to tell who made the chanter....

Jack Lee - Shepherd 483
Brian Donaldson - Donaldson Master chanter 486
Andrew Carlisle - Naill 484
Craig Sutherland - Shepherd 485
Ben Duncan - Unknown 483* (see pic below)
Ian K. MacDonald - Naill 484
Willie McCallum - McC2 480
Alastair Lee - Gandy? 484
Bruce Gandy - Gandy 485
Roddy MacLeod - RJM 485
Donald MacPhee - Naill 481
Stuart Liddel - Naill 481
Peter Hunt - Naill 483
Alan Bevan - Henderson 483
Angus MacColl - Strathmore 481
Iain Speirs - McC2? 485
Greg Wilson - Strathmore 484
Glenn Brown - Naill 483
Alex Gandy - Gandy 488
Gordon McCready - Naill 483


https://image.ibb.co/ejv2i9/unknown_chanter.png


John Miner 08-16-2018 12:21 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
These are some of the drones being played based off of what I've heard or seen, but someone else can please correct if if I'm wrong and fill in the others I don't know.



Jack Lee - Lee and Sons
Brian Donaldson - Inveran I would assume?
Andrew Carlisle - Henderson
Craig Sutherland - ?
Ben Duncan - ?
Ian K. MacDonald - Naill
Willie McCallum - Henderson
Alastair Lee - McRae
Bruce Gandy - Henderson
Roddy MacLeod - Lawrie
Donald MacPhee - ?
Stuart Liddel - New Duncan McRae by McCallum
Peter Hunt - ?
Alan Bevan - Atherton Premier
Angus MacColl - Henderson
Iain Speirs - Henderson
Greg Wilson - ?
Glenn Brown - Naill
Alex Gandy - 1939 Henderson
Gordon McCready - ?

el gaitero 08-16-2018 12:43 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Miner (Post 1330115)
These are some of the drones being played based off of what I've heard or seen, but someone else can please correct if if I'm wrong and fill in the others I don't know.



Jack Lee - Lee and Sons
Brian Donaldson - Inveran I would assume?
Andrew Carlisle - Henderson
Craig Sutherland - ?
Ben Duncan - ?
Ian K. MacDonald - Naill
Willie McCallum - Henderson
Alastair Lee - McRae
Bruce Gandy - Henderson
Roddy MacLeod - Lawrie
Donald MacPhee - ?
Stuart Liddel - New Duncan McRae by McCallum
Peter Hunt - ?
Alan Bevan - Atherton Premier
Angus MacColl - Henderson
Iain Speirs - Henderson
Greg Wilson - ?
Glenn Brown - Naill
Alex Gandy - 1939 Henderson
Gordon McCready - ?

Why wouldn’t Stuart be playing his own original Macrae’s?

John Miner 08-16-2018 12:59 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
I'm not sure why, but I'm pretty sure he plays the originals in the band.

piper_hm 08-16-2018 01:11 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Miner (Post 1330115)
These are some of the drones being played based off of what I've heard or seen, but someone else can please correct if if I'm wrong and fill in the others I don't know.



Jack Lee - Lee and Sons
Brian Donaldson - Inveran I would assume?
Andrew Carlisle - Henderson
Craig Sutherland - ?
Ben Duncan - ?
Ian K. MacDonald - Naill
Willie McCallum - Henderson
Alastair Lee - McRae
Bruce Gandy - Henderson
Roddy MacLeod - Lawrie
Donald MacPhee - ?
Stuart Liddel - New Duncan McRae by McCallum
Peter Hunt - ?
Alan Bevan - Atherton Premier
Angus MacColl - Henderson
Iain Speirs - Henderson
Greg Wilson - ?
Glenn Brown - Naill
Alex Gandy - 1939 Henderson
Gordon McCready - ?

Craig Sutherland - MacRae
Ben Duncan - Shepherd

Mainebagpipes 08-17-2018 08:06 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Miner (Post 1330115)
These are some of the drones being played based off of what I've heard or seen, but someone else can please correct if if I'm wrong and fill in the others I don't know.
...


Bruce Gandy - Henderson


Bruce was playing his 2011 McCallums, not his Hendersons.

jackhawkpiper97 08-17-2018 08:13 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Stuart has been working on a new mccallum chanter recently, so he may have been playing that. Or, he may have been playing the Henderson he's played for a handful of years now.

Søren E. Larsen 09-12-2018 01:55 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
I think Donald MacPhee is playing a set of McCallums.

Mac an t-Sealgair 09-12-2018 04:42 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Miner (Post 1330118)
I'm not sure why, but I'm pretty sure he plays the originals in the band.

Marketing? Publicity? I'm pretty sure Callum Beaumont won the CLASP with set of the MacRae drones. if that isn't a fantastic endorsement I don't know what is!!

Green Piper 09-12-2018 06:13 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
I suspect that many of the “masters” could win at the highest levels playing off-the-shelf drones. What makes them able to win the top prizes is their ability to setup pipes, choose good drone reeds, match drones to chanter and play near flawlessly.

Jim Fogelman 09-12-2018 06:22 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Green Piper (Post 1331086)
I suspect that many of the “masters” could win at the highest levels playing off-the-shelf drones. What makes them able to win the top prizes is their ability to setup pipes, choose good drone reeds, match drones to chanter and play near flawlessly.

I'm sure many of them could win - maybe not the highest levels, but definitely most amateur competitions - with a set of pipes from the subcontinent. As you said, it's down to setup, but also their control over the instrument.

Mac an t-Sealgair 09-12-2018 08:53 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Green Piper (Post 1331086)
I suspect that many of the “masters” could win at the highest levels playing off-the-shelf drones. What makes them able to win the top prizes is their ability to setup pipes, choose good drone reeds, match drones to chanter and play near flawlessly.

Exactly!! I completely agree. It does prove you don't need bank account breaking Hendersons or whatever. It's a great advert.

Søren E. Larsen 09-13-2018 07:01 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mainebagpipes (Post 1330128)
Bruce was playing his 2011 McCallums, not his Hendersons.

Pretty sure it's a set of old Hendersons Bruce is competing with here.

Pppiper 09-13-2018 07:30 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mainebagpipes (Post 1330128)
Bruce was playing his 2011 McCallums, not his Hendersons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Søren E. Larsen (Post 1331129)
Pretty sure it's a set of old Hendersons Bruce is competing with here.

I would say that I take Mainebagpipes' word for it, I know he takes lessons from Bruce. I saw your site from your signature, looks like you take lessons from Bruce as well?

McCallums make sense to me, Bruce told us at a workshop this past spring (2018) that he often uses his McCallum pipes for international travel ... I believe to cut down on the issues of CITES and the like. That workshop was in the US, and he that weekend he was also playing his McCallums. But I've not seen this particular performance.

He can make any set of pipes sing ... I daresay all of these folks can.

Cheers,
~Nate

Mainebagpipes 09-13-2018 09:30 AM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
If I remember, I'll ask him this week. However, without having been in Scotland, I'm certain they're the McCallums. I've got a couple of reasons for thinking that, one of the big ones being it's a dead ringer for the set he played at Maxville (which I was around for). There's a closer view in the video of his Piping Live recital than in the Masters broadcast.

PMT 09-13-2018 04:16 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Stuart Liddell was competing with a new McCallum solo chanter that is still under development.

PMT 09-13-2018 05:56 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
Should have mentioned Iain Speirs is playing a Mk2 McCallum. Thanks for the breakdown Shawn, very interesting to see the chanters and pitches.

Neal Hinerman 09-14-2018 02:10 PM

Re: What the Masters are playing
 
I for one would like to know their entire setups;

Chanter
Chanter reed
Bag
Drones
Drone reeds

It would be interesting to get each Master's take on why they play what they play. I think it would encourage us mere mortals, and give us options we haven't thought of before.


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