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Nerdypiper42 06-14-2019 09:06 PM

Peaks and valleys of the learning process
 
I donít know if this is something that is unique to adult learners, or if those who start when they are younger experience it as well, but sometimes I swear I take so many steps back in my learning process that itís hard to remember where Iíve gotten to. I mean, recording my playing (as painful as that is sometimes) helps to provide a gauge, but the unpredictability of the peaks and valleys can be overwhelming.

Iím not the type to get so discouraged as to want to not play any more. I mean really, how effing cool is it that we get to play such a powerful and beautiful instrument? But doing a little toddler dance of frustration on occasion is also part of the process for me 🤣🤣.

Anyone else have the occasional (private) temper tantrum?

Steve Law 06-15-2019 02:33 PM

Re: Peaks and valleys of the learning process
 
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Originally Posted by Nerdypiper42 (Post 1338119)

Anyone else have the occasional (private) temper tantrum?

Oh Yeah.... and I started 53 years ago when I was 12. As a kid I had the benefit of a couple of great teachers but they both passed away many years ago and my memories of their urgings and encouragements (as well as their frequent exasperations and criticisms) have served me well for decades since.... I know when Iím getting it wrong and have them sitting on my shoulder nudging me to try again, and again, and again.

But what Iíve learned is that ranting at my own failings has to be moderated... a level of dissatisfaction with what Iím doing now helps spur me to keep trying, and none of us will ever improve without trying.

Iíll never be a Stuart Liddell, but I CAN be better than I am now; knowing both those things works for me and having folks like SL and a few dozen others gives me music to admire and strive towards, even though I know Iím unlikely to match them.... they show me whatís possible, even if we canít all be champions.

But overdoing the ranting is counterproductive and can quickly build into destruction of the self-belief that I think we need to stick at it (whatever IT is), so accept that progress isnít always in the desired direction but every setback has a purpose, even if itís only to keep at it until you re-master something you somehow forgot.

The end result of perseverance is improvement and thatís a good thing to achieve....aim for the chimney, hit the roof.

Good luck with your journey; may it bring you as much joy as mine has to me :)

thevoidboy 06-15-2019 02:45 PM

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Given enough time, energy and effort: you could be a Stu Liddell.

It sounds naive, but you would be surprised how malleable brain, nerves, muscles and tendons are to suggestion.

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EquusRacer 06-15-2019 04:51 PM

Re: Peaks and valleys of the learning process
 
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Given enough time, energy and effort: you could be a Stu Liddell.

It sounds naive, but you would be surprised how malleable brain, nerves, muscles and tendons are to suggestion.

I've been 'suggesting' to neurons, muscles, tendons and more for 40 years. :shrug:

bob864 06-15-2019 07:40 PM

Re: Peaks and valleys of the learning process
 
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Originally Posted by Nerdypiper42 (Post 1338119)

Anyone else have the occasional (private) temper tantrum?

No. That's just wasted energy.

It's hard, and it's supposed to be hard. The only thing we can do is methodically work towards our goals. I usually work on something three or four times, and then move on to working on something else. Whatever I was working on will usually be better after sleep.

Pppiper 06-16-2019 01:24 PM

Re: Peaks and valleys of the learning process
 
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Originally Posted by thevoidboy (Post 1338130)
Given enough time, energy and effort: you could be a Stu Liddell.

It sounds naive, but you would be surprised how malleable brain, nerves, muscles and tendons are to suggestion.

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Precisely. Telling oneself ďI canít be as good as (((whatever))) is essentially blocking and limiting yourself.

I have no idea how developed I might become, but I continually remind myself not to make any assumptions. None. Iím working on my playing, and that work will continue until Im physically unable to carry on. Even then, I can tell you, Iíll be trying to find a solution that gets me going again.

Dont label yourself an ďadult learnerĒ either. Thereís near always a negative association people apply with it, and itís completely invalid. People do this all the time, and it makes me see red.

Youíre not an adult learner .... your a learner. Period. Your age has nothing to do with anything aside from when you can collect social security (good luck with that) and get a senior discount at Dennyís.

Get back to work; and enjoy yourself ... now. =]

Cheers,
~Nate

Steve Law 06-16-2019 02:27 PM

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Nate, I admire your aim of never setting limits.... thatís great, and I wish you well with it. :thumb:

But. Since I now qualify for my pension and any number of discounts due to age I donít think admitting Iím never likely to win gold at Inverness is particularly limiting, just realistic :).

My own aims remain to get as close as I can to my best, some 40-odd years ago, before the inevitable effects of time start to bite... setting unrealistic goals can be as destructive as none at all.... itís a question of finding the best balance of spur and encouragement and that varies with every individual.

I honestly think that itís unhelpful to tell every kid (or adult) that one day they can be President if they just work hard enough....only a few have a real chance at that, so I prefer suggesting that everyone does the best they can and keeps at it until they canít improve any further, thatís all :)

Good luck to anyone striving, at whatever their aim might be....

CalumII 06-17-2019 02:25 AM

Re: Peaks and valleys of the learning process
 
Sort of. For most people their ceiling is motivation, not competence. And that's fine: I'm certainly not going to be winning any Gold Medals, because I can't be bothered to do the amount of work involved. Could I get myself to that level? Yes, I probably could, and so could most people. All you have to do is keep on addressing your weak points, and none of them are fixed. But that last little step from merely competent to great is a hell of a lot of work.

Pip01 06-18-2019 12:13 PM

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Greetings, Nerdypiper, and to All,

Well... Hmm... and... Ah, Yes!! :)

'Twas ever thus... and... "So say we one... so say we all."... :)
(A judicial phrase used by juries... having passed sentence. :)

With we poor sods... in The Piping Game... and as with all
else... wrapped 'round as we are... in this... our Mortal Coil...
this proves to be.. The Rule... rather than... The Exception.

And again... " 'Twas ever thus"... and not much way around it.

An examplary bit of poetry... from an old Danish gruk... and we
should substitute... Good Piping... in place of the poem's word...
which is... "Wisdom."

"The road to human Wisdom
Is easy to express.
It is to err, and err, and err again,
But less, and less, and less."

And so... on those... quite difficult days... when all of it is seemingly
a terribly up-hill slog... if not just a bloody-well and downright never-
to-be grasped... "Will 'o the-wisp" treasure... that has lured us on...
and on... and on... then... oh, then... is the time... to relax... and to
take a deep breath (if you're not already blue... and have fallen to
the floor :)... and to remember how it was... when trying to learn...
how to ride something... as simple... as a bicycle!! :)

And then... having returned to a calm... and reasonable state... to
again shoulder The Great Beast... or lay hand to that sometimes
quite difficult practice chanter... and then to ease... back into the
playing... and the learning... and the great joy of it all... while still
understanding that you... we... all... shall... "err, and err, and err
again... but less, and less, and less." :)

As I have said here before, just keep after it. It will come!! Promise!!

Regards, and All the Best!!,

Pip01




Mac an t-Sealgair 06-18-2019 07:58 PM

Re: Peaks and valleys of the learning process
 
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Originally Posted by Nerdypiper42 (Post 1338119)

Anyone else have the occasional (private) temper tantrum?

:willy: yes :grin:

Mostly when I'm trying to record something, and continually fluff it!


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