What is an Adult Beginner's Actual Potential?

[David]

Originally Posted by Tripp

If you're willing to put in the time, you'll to well. The only real short cut is to work your arse off.

One thing's for certain--if you don't work your arse off, you won't get anywhere.

Theorizing ends where good instruction and lots of repetitious exercises begin.

If I had to sum it up:

"Good teachers, good reeds, and the rest is up to you."

[Tripp]

Originally Posted by David

One thing's for certain--if you don't work your arse off, you won't get anywhere.

Theorizing ends where good instruction and lots of repetitious exercises begin.

If I had to sum it up:

"Good teachers, good reeds, and the rest is up to you."

I'll drink to that.

[bog-standard]

[QUOTE=warhorse72;1188677]

Originally Posted by bog-standard

Talent is essentially the same thing as intellect.

horsepuckey
and intellect ain't the same as aptitude, neither.

I'm sorry. It's not horsepuckey.
Aptitude is boring...basic proficiency is what passes for aptitude in our culture.
Talent is another matter. Real talent or brilliance in any artistic endevour is always hand in hand with a good intellect and an analytical nature.

[Steve Anderson]

Although talent and aptitude are very close

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aptitude

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/talent

[Tripp]

[QUOTE=bog-standard;1188998]

Originally Posted by warhorse72

I'm sorry. It's not horsepuckey.
Aptitude is boring...basic proficiency is what passes for aptitude in our culture.
Talent is another matter. Real talent or brilliance in any artistic endevour is always hand in hand with a good intellect and an analytical nature.

You're obviously not a football fan. There are some dead stupid players who are simply brilliant with the ball at their feet... and yes, what they do is an art.

[David]

[QUOTE=Tripp;1189332]

Originally Posted by bog-standard

You're obviously not a football fan. There are some dead stupid players who are simply brilliant with the ball at their feet... and yes, what they do is an art.

And there are scientific geniuses that cannot figure out the difference between a left-handed screw driver and a right-handed one!

I know that I'm still working on this, but I think I am close now...

[wysper]

[QUOTE=David;1189505]

Originally Posted by Tripp

And there are scientific geniuses that cannot figure out the difference between a left-handed screw driver and a right-handed one!

I know that I'm still working on this, but I think I am close now...

The trick to that is watching which way they turn when you use them.... of course I am speaking from a southern hemisphere point of view.

[Chairman Mao]

[QUOTE=Tripp;1189332]

Originally Posted by bog-standard

You're obviously not a football fan. There are some dead stupid players who are simply brilliant with the ball at their feet... and yes, what they do is an art.

Jumping in here - I see a point on both sides here. There are some remarkable people (of sport or music or painting or whatever) and they aren't very clever at a whole lot except that thing they are very talented at... It can be a bit shocking when you see amazing things, and then hear the poor lad in an interview later.

But if you asked these guys about what they are talented at, and how it works, most (but not all) of those people have a remarkable insight into what it is they are doing. The rather dim-witted but very talented football player has a very keen insight into the game. And I think that's what the post about talent and being rather intelligent about it came in.... Most - but not all - people who are really good at something have a pretty special knowledge of that thing they do.

But not all can explain it - which is why so many great ones make terrible coaches.

Scott

[Tripp]

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

But not all can explain it - which is why so many great ones make terrible coaches.

Scott

That is so true. Quite often the best coaches/trainers are ones who picked it up later in life. When kids learn something early, it becomes almost unconscious and they aren't really quite aware of all the things going on. My dad was a really good ice hockey coach... he learned to skate and play hockey at 48. But he became a student of the game and could coach the game as well as skating technique pretty well... because he had had to consciously think about every facet of it. It doesn't mean that really excellent players can't be excellent teachers too, but the two defo don't go hand in hand.

[Chairman Mao]

Wayne Gretzky didn't seem to know the first thing about coaching a team...