Sibelius update for bagpipe

Heatherbelle · 04-25-2012, 10:57 AM

I'm letting you see correspondence re an update to a Bagpipe PlugIn, for anyone who uses Sibelius. As you see, in due course the Bagpipes Suite file on the PlugIns download page on Sibelius will be updated.

Hi Janette,

I think I have fixed the problem in the Play Pipe Ornaments plugin. Here is an updated version of the plugin.

I would recommend running the updated plugin on any score you ran the old one on, and I also recommend selecting the entire bagpipe instrument (all bars) when you do that, rather than going a bar at a time. It probably does not really make a difference, but it you are running on a file that was previously processed, I think it best that you start from bar 1 and continue to the end, to avoid missing any incorrectly processed bars.

Once I test it a bit more, I will update the Bagpipes Suite file on the plugins download page.

If you know of anyone else who has used the plugins, or know of bagpipe forums where anyone might have come across them, please let them know that this plugin has been updated, and either send them the zip file or tell them to get the updated file from the Sibelius download page.

I have run the plugin on your score, and I attach the result. It does not have the holes where it did before, and to my hearing, seems to play continuously. I was a bit concerned at places like bar 100 where the grace notes are barely audible, but if I slow it down, I hear them, and the Live Playback data for them looks fine.

So again, the problem only came up when there are adjacent notes with ornaments, and the 2nd or later ornament starts before the beat, which is what was happening in bar 4 of this score. If there is only 1 ornament in a bar, or if they all start on the beat, there would have been no problem. We must not have had such cases when we tested the plugins, or else we just did not notice, which happens…

So I hope this solves your problem. I notice that there are a huge number of ornaments in this score! Did you use the Add Ornament plugin to add them, or did you do those by hand?

All the best

Bob

Mac Aindriú · 04-25-2012, 12:10 PM

Heatherbelle,
I'm glad to see an bagpipe update with Sibelius, I'm a little leery about some of the plug-ins I have the engraving features right where I want them and they look fabulous. I don't think I'll upgrade anytime soon unless they improve their bagpipe sound, right now it sounds like a weak penny whistle and you're right the grace notes aren't on the beat. I'll be looking for more information on this page, outside of the issues I stated it's a great music program.

Heatherbelle · 04-25-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac Aindriú

Heatherbelle,
I'm glad to see an bagpipe update with Sibelius, I'm a little leery about some of the plug-ins I have the engraving features right where I want them and they look fabulous. I don't think I'll upgrade anytime soon unless they improve their bagpipe sound, right now it sounds like a weak penny whistle and you're right the grace notes aren't on the beat. I'll be looking for more information on this page, outside of the issues I stated it's a great music program.

Yes re the sound----re the gracenote placings, the Play Pipe Ornaments PlugIn enables you to choose where to place them. Jim MacGillivray worked with Bob Zawalich to develop this. And yes give it a day or two and the new version of the Bagpipe Suite should be there.

Mac Aindriú · 04-25-2012, 01:12 PM

I'm glad to see that Jim MacGillivray is involed with Bob that way I'll know the plug-in will be top shelve.

Heatherbelle · 04-27-2012, 01:07 AM

Yes Jim gave Bob all the technical details from the piping side, so the combination was top notch.

My main involvement was that through being so incompetent, I was never away from the Sibelius Help Center, and so it was going to be easier for everyone if Bob dealt with my queries on a one to one basis via email. And he being who he is, he took up the challenge and went a whole lot further, which was great for all of us. Maybe the moral of the tale is 'never be afraid to admit to shortcomings - you never know where it could lead'. LOL!

Andrew Lenz · 04-28-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac Aindriú

I'm glad to see that Jim MacGillivray is involed with Bob that way I'll know the plug-in will be top shelve.

It doesn't change the information, but out of respect for Jim, it's spelled "McGillivray".

Andrew

Heatherbelle · 04-29-2012, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Lenz

It doesn't change the information, but out of respect for Jim, it's spelled "McGillivray".

Andrew

Oh sorry Andrew, it was only a typo, as I've been writing his name several times every week for the past few years, on the copyright notices on the bottom of his scores. Obviously no disrespect is intended - I think the world of him and he knows it!!

Mac Aindriú · 05-04-2012, 08:57 PM

Heatherbelle,
Did you see that Sibelius has a new software program called ‘Sibelius First’ and it's a lot less than 6 or 7.

Heatherbelle · 05-05-2012, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Aindriú

Heatherbelle,
Did you see that Sibelius has a new software program called ‘Sibelius First’ and it's a lot less than 6 or 7.

Is that a simpler version or a replacement for the Student version? Haven't looked into it but I'll have a look.

04-25-2012, 10:57 AM	#1
Heatherbelle Holy smoking keyboard! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ayrshire, Scotland Posts: 3,318	Sibelius update for bagpipe I'm letting you see correspondence re an update to a Bagpipe PlugIn, for anyone who uses Sibelius. As you see, in due course the Bagpipes Suite file on the PlugIns download page on Sibelius will be updated. Hi Janette, I think I have fixed the problem in the Play Pipe Ornaments plugin. Here is an updated version of the plugin. I would recommend running the updated plugin on any score you ran the old one on, and I also recommend selecting the entire bagpipe instrument (all bars) when you do that, rather than going a bar at a time. It probably does not really make a difference, but it you are running on a file that was previously processed, I think it best that you start from bar 1 and continue to the end, to avoid missing any incorrectly processed bars. Once I test it a bit more, I will update the Bagpipes Suite file on the plugins download page. If you know of anyone else who has used the plugins, or know of bagpipe forums where anyone might have come across them, please let them know that this plugin has been updated, and either send them the zip file or tell them to get the updated file from the Sibelius download page. I have run the plugin on your score, and I attach the result. It does not have the holes where it did before, and to my hearing, seems to play continuously. I was a bit concerned at places like bar 100 where the grace notes are barely audible, but if I slow it down, I hear them, and the Live Playback data for them looks fine. So again, the problem only came up when there are adjacent notes with ornaments, and the 2nd or later ornament starts before the beat, which is what was happening in bar 4 of this score. If there is only 1 ornament in a bar, or if they all start on the beat, there would have been no problem. We must not have had such cases when we tested the plugins, or else we just did not notice, which happens… So I hope this solves your problem. I notice that there are a huge number of ornaments in this score! Did you use the Add Ornament plugin to add them, or did you do those by hand? All the best Bob __________________ Moon Cradle Kickstarter BagpipeCompositions on Youtube Black Haired Hector SIBKF Roger Huth (Robertsons)

04-25-2012, 12:10 PM	#2
Mac Aindriú Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ocean City, NJ, U.S.A. Posts: 152	Re: Sibelius update for bagpipe Heatherbelle, I'm glad to see an bagpipe update with Sibelius, I'm a little leery about some of the plug-ins I have the engraving features right where I want them and they look fabulous. I don't think I'll upgrade anytime soon unless they improve their bagpipe sound, right now it sounds like a weak penny whistle and you're right the grace notes aren't on the beat. I'll be looking for more information on this page, outside of the issues I stated it's a great music program. __________________ Ní bheidh ár leithéidi aris ann!

04-25-2012, 01:12 PM	#4
Mac Aindriú Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ocean City, NJ, U.S.A. Posts: 152	Re: Sibelius update for bagpipe I'm glad to see that Jim MacGillivray is involed with Bob that way I'll know the plug-in will be top shelve. __________________ Ní bheidh ár leithéidi aris ann!

04-27-2012, 01:07 AM	#5
Heatherbelle Holy smoking keyboard! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ayrshire, Scotland Posts: 3,318	Re: Sibelius update for bagpipe Yes Jim gave Bob all the technical details from the piping side, so the combination was top notch. My main involvement was that through being so incompetent, I was never away from the Sibelius Help Center, and so it was going to be easier for everyone if Bob dealt with my queries on a one to one basis via email. And he being who he is, he took up the challenge and went a whole lot further, which was great for all of us. Maybe the moral of the tale is 'never be afraid to admit to shortcomings - you never know where it could lead'. LOL! __________________ Moon Cradle Kickstarter BagpipeCompositions on Youtube Black Haired Hector SIBKF Roger Huth (Robertsons) Last edited by Heatherbelle; 04-27-2012 at 01:11 AM.

05-04-2012, 08:57 PM	#8
Mac Aindriú Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ocean City, NJ, U.S.A. Posts: 152	Re: Sibelius First Heatherbelle, Did you see that Sibelius has a new software program called ‘Sibelius First’ and it's a lot less than 6 or 7. __________________ Ní bheidh ár leithéidi aris ann!