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Old 02-01-2018, 07:10 PM   #1
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Default Whence the tune "Tommy, Aye!"?



Greetings to All,

I seem to have lost the antecedents to the above
named tune... "Tommy, Aye!"

Picked it up donkey's years ago... one afternoon...
and by ear... from an old(er) busker... playing on
one of the bridges in London.

Any here know from whence and when it came?

All... or any... information... greatly appreciated!!

Regards to All,

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Old 02-19-2018, 08:17 PM   #2
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Greetings to All,

I seem to have lost the antecedents to the above
named tune... "Tommy, Aye!"

Picked it up donkey's years ago... one afternoon...
and by ear... from an old(er) busker... playing on
one of the bridges in London.

Any here know from whence and when it came?

All... or any... information... greatly appreciated!!

Regards to All,

Pip01



Greetings to All,

Well... and Hmmm... Over two weeks... and over
two hundred views... and nary an inkling...(sigh...)

As I do know and play the tune... and was given that
title by the old busker on the bridge... from whom I
learned it... and he said it was an old tune when first
he learned it (perhaps from WW I... or soon after?)...
then my best (and possibly only) recourse... is to
write out the tune... post it here... and then... and
perhaps... some might... see and recognize it... :)
(I can only live in hope. :)

Attempting, and of course... to do that without any
contravention of either copyright... or Moderator
regulations...

Originally... I was but trying to find the antecedents
of the tune... but now... my main aspiration is that
this fine old tune (and it's a most lively one! :) ... be
not lost... to the vagaries... of Time...

I shall recruit some I.T. assistance... being still rather
like a monkey with a cello... when it comes to these
machines... and shall have it posted here... as soon
as may be possible.

Thank you, and... Regards to All,

Pip01

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Old 02-20-2018, 07:04 AM   #3
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Default Re: Whence the tune "Tommy, Aye!"?

Another source you may try is farce, uh Facebook. I have gotten some good response on the military bagpipes page to similar questions.
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Old 02-20-2018, 09:16 AM   #4
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Default Re: Whence the tune "Tommy, Aye!"?

You have asked this question before, Pip01, except you said you had heard it not in London, but in the Hell's Kitchen area of New York City, which makes more sense.

It seems to exist only on the LP "The Donegal Piper. Vol. 2", by Neil Duddy, the notorious conman from Clydebank.

For those who don't know, Duddy was a Scotsman from Clydebank, just outside Glasgow. He left Scotland and settled in New York, where he was self taught in adulthood. He called himself the "Donegal Piper", despite being Scottish, and claimed to have been pipe major of the The King Brian Boru Irish Warpipe Band, which never existed. He also claimed to have been P/M of the "Royal Guards". Weirdly, he was believed in New York, got a record deal, and recorded some of he worst piping ever put out on vinyl.
Scotland The Brave, Skye Boat Song, Glendaruel Highlanders, Highland Laddie, Road to the Isles, etc, are all butchered. The sleeve notes say these are "Irish bagpipe tunes", despite the geographical clues in the titles.

The first album does contain Irish tunes, but the sleevenotes tell us they are intended to inspire “the emotions of an old Scot on his return to his native land...after an absence of many years.” None of it makes sense.

The Journal of American Folklore in 1969 reviewed his two albums as "the worst of their kind ever issued", "his playing is atrocious: his pipes are flat and badly tuned throughout, and there are numerous chokes, wrong notes and instances of slurred fingering".

The tune itself, Tommy Aye, seems to be a mash up of some other pipe tunes, all played very, very badly on an out of tune set of pipes.

The tune Tommy Aye seems to have been heard in New York and nowhere else, because Duddy was the only person playing it, until he taught it to others in NY when he became pipe major to the "Donegal Pipers Band of New York City" from 1935 to 1952.
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:00 AM   #5
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You have asked this question before, Pip01,
except you said you had heard it not in London,
but in the Hell's Kitchen area of New York City,
which makes more sense.

It seems to exist only on the LP
"The Donegal Piper. Vol. 2", by Neil Duddy,
the notorious conman from Clydebank.

For those who don't know, Duddy was a Scotsman
from Clydebank, just outside Glasgow. He left
Scotland and settled in New York, where he was
self taught in adulthood [priceless details snipped]
The tune itself, Tommy Aye, seems to be a mash up
of some other pipe tunes, all played very, very badly
on an out of tune set of pipes.

The tune Tommy Aye seems to have been heard in
New York and nowhere else, because Duddy was the
only person playing it, until he taught it to others in
NY when he became pipe major to the "Donegal Pipers
Band of New York City" from 1935 to 1952.
And SO...
... he was no Rufus Harley, then?

Seems copyright shouldn't be a problem.
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:38 PM   #6
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Greetings to Adam, and to All,

Adam, many thanks for giving my noggin and
my memory... a much-needed... push!! :)

My first hearing of it was in NYC... but my
learning of it was from that older busker... on
that bridge... those several years later.(Which
is why I do believe that the tune is... and indeed...
extant... from the Home Isles.)

I attempted to re-hear the bollixed version of it
from the links in the first round of Posts back in
2014... but a page with "Not Found" continues to
appear.

Probably the best avenue of approach now... and
would save us all both time and trouble... is for me
to get the music of it... that I learned... written out
and posted here... and then all could have a proper
go at it... and perhaps another... "pipe tune mystery"
might then be... properly... solved.

I couldn't really say... why this (old?) tune has again...
come to rest and resound... in my ear and my fingers.

But... I do think it of sufficient quality... that it not fall
beneath the waves... of Time... and neglect...

It will take some time (matters being now a bit hectic
on my end) but I shall get cracking on the writing and
the posting... as soon as may prove possible.

Gratitude... and Regards... to All,

Pip01


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Old 02-22-2018, 04:28 AM   #7
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Pip01, by all means write out the tune as you remember it and do post it, perhaps there may be a little something of merit in it, that can be refined by a few of the pipers here.

I've been able, occasionally, to polish a turd (not in the literal sense you lot) and have it seem to be decent & unique, perhaps that can be done with your remembrance of a tune as well.
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Old 03-13-2018, 12:25 AM   #8
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I just found the recording (mentioned here) online (YouTube) and the tune "Tommy Aye" itself does sound fairly cool.
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:04 AM   #9
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I just found the recording (mentioned here) online (YouTube) and the tune "Tommy Aye" itself does sound fairly cool.
Ain't YouTube great! Out of curiosity I went there and lo and behold two interviews with The Great Man himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcP-Cw2EatU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF9jr3a1X_U

There appear to be a lot of videos there with tracks from his two albums (which Irish Americans will be glad are still available on Amazon). All I can say is that you've got to love America - land of Hallowe'en and Rachel Dolezal - LOL! Now, off to pipe on "St Patty's Day", LOL!

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Old 03-13-2018, 09:51 AM   #10
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Greetings to All,

Having stumbled about on YouTube... and
with no luck... could someone kindly post a
or the link to the YouTube vid for this tune?

(I found the two-part interview of him to be of
interest, though no segments of his playing.)

Many thanks!!

Regards to All,

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