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Old 03-02-2019, 04:35 AM   #21
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I don't think they're Lawrie's, but that's the only name she gave me. Perhaps she was told they were when she bought them in New Zealand in 1991. If they are MIME pipes then they're way better than any of the 5 Middle Eastern sets I've encountered so far, and the only set that plays and plays quite nicely too.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:38 PM   #22
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Would anyone be able to help in identifying these pipes? The lady who owns them bought them second hand in 1991. She thought they were Lawries. They have been mended in the past. The nickel ferrules don't look like Lawries so maybe they are replacements? I have found no maker's stamp as yet in the usual places. Would be good to know what wood they are made from also.
Don't know how to add photos here and now can't delete this post.
Look like Sinclairs
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:53 PM   #23
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Made In Middle East... term used generally in the Piping world to describe non “Scotland” made pipes i.e. not of traditional woods or overall high playable or manufacturing qualities.

40 years odd years I've been piping and it's the first time I've ever heard of it. They've always been known as 'Pakis' to everyone around me no matter whether that piper is from Scotland, Ireland, Australia or wherever.

The vast majority come from Sialkot in modern day Pakistan, so why not call them Pakistani pipes?

And, although most of them may be firewood, there are also some older, quality sets out there. Seen them.

p.s......these ones look like Sinclairs. Any chance of a photo of the ring caps?
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:25 AM   #24
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Thanks for the replies.

The drone caps are a different plastic to the other mounts. I think they are replacements as part of a repair job. It would be nice if these were Sinclair pipes, but I wouldn't know. The wood chanter looks a bit like a Sinclair chanter but is not stamped.

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Old 03-14-2019, 06:11 AM   #25
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40 years odd years I've been piping and it's the first time I've ever heard of it. They've always been known as 'Pakis' to everyone around me no matter whether that piper is from Scotland, Ireland, Australia or wherever.

The term "Paki" has long been used and understood as a racial epithet in certain regions, particularly the UK, and so those of us who care about such things have stopped using it to describe provenance.
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Old 03-14-2019, 07:01 AM   #26
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The term "Paki" has long been used and understood as a racial epithet in certain regions,



Greetings to All,


Hence... on the Forum... our Moderators have deemed it a
proscribed description... for that national, or regional, area...
being the world-wide platform... that we enjoy being...

Fortunately... for us... there are several equally descriptive
terms... that are just as accurate... and that bear no onus... :)

"Pakistani" first comes to mind... but has more letters to type. :)

"MIME," for "Made in Middle East," is oft times used... and
has fewer letters... :) (The simple fact that Pakistan is not
in... the Middle East... seems not to be much of a bother... :)

Or... one could use... "Sialkot pipes"... which would be quite
equally clear... sort of... :)

I'm just glad that "Yorkie"... ain't proscribed... :)

Regards, and Happy Typing... to All,

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Old 03-14-2019, 07:08 AM   #27
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The term "Paki" has long been used and understood as a racial epithet in certain regions, particularly the UK, and so those of us who care about such things have stopped using it to describe provenance.

I completely agree with you.
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:54 AM   #28
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The term "Paki" has long been used and understood as a racial epithet in certain regions

I have some friends from Pakistan, and they use the term 'Paki' and don't seem offended by it..
With any speech/wordage, I think it's all in how the term is used..

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Old 03-14-2019, 03:05 PM   #29
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The term "Paki" has long been used and understood as a racial epithet in certain regions, particularly the UK, and so those of us who care about such things have stopped using it to describe provenance.

Oh jeez......so the political correctness brigade is even trying to take over the piping world!

As for.....

"Originally Posted by el gaitero View Post
Made In Middle East... term used generally in the Piping world to describe non “Scotland” made pipes i.e. not of traditional woods or overall high playable or manufacturing qualities."

The statement doesn't appear to be true at all, except perhaps in use on this one forum by some forumites!

I even note on another thread in BDF at this very moment there is an attempt at a contest to get such pipes going, and the thread uses the word 'Pakistani' in the heading.

At any rate, the ringcaps certainly aren't Sinclair, although as pointed out they are probably not original to the instrument.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:33 PM   #30
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I have some friends from Pakistan, and they use the term 'Paki' and don't seem offended by it.




Greetings to All, and Requesting the Forbearance of All,


In regard to the above quote, well, yes.. and that is as
may well be... but... the folk of that nation... or the general
area... may say such as they may wish... but we... here...
simply... may not.

The OED... carries the word... "as a term of abuse"... and
so... we.. here... aiming... at the very least... for courtesy...
on our world-wide Forum... must abide by our Moderators
wishes... and stay well clear... of that rendering.

The designations that we have for those pipes... as noted
above...are more than sufficient... and shall serve us... and
our world-wide audience... quite well.

With Regards to... and for... All,


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