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Old 04-16-2018, 03:19 PM   #1
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Default Grade 1 versus Open piping

I had a thought today and itís a question Iím asking out of ignorance. Thereís a good piper I watched who won a lot last year in Grade 1. In fact I think they placed first in every event I saw them play in. They made the move up to Open piping this year (as should be the case) and immediately started placing last or close to the bottom.

My questions are as follows:

1) Is there a difference in judging that would cause this shift?
2) Is there a judging bias (for example: you have to earn your stripes for a couple of years before you can get in the prizes)?
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:51 PM   #2
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My guess would just be that the competition is tougher, because the players are better.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:53 PM   #3
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Default Re: Grade 1 versus Open piping

I'd also guess the tune submission requirements call for more tunes in each discipline and they may not all be up to snuff just yet.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:36 AM   #4
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Default Re: Grade 1 versus Open piping

Over your side of the water "Open" is a very big grade. Once you enter that grade you're usually climbing onto the boards after the best America and Canada have to offer. It would take even the best G1 player a while to break into that I think.

In the UK after G1 you would play in Grade C, working your way upwards as you improved and won. This is also sometimes classed as "open", it's just a slightly more structured approach. Some games hold open competitions where all grades compete together. In those cases, newly promoted "G1 winner" could be following Angus Macoll, Willie Macallum and Donald Macphee onto the boards. Even on a good day....well, you get the picture.

On the plus side, your American/Canadian "Open" grade player has the excitement of that first mention in the prize list to look forward to.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:12 AM   #5
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Default Re: Grade 1 versus Open piping

As you climb the grades, the populations become more stable. So everyone at the open level has been there a while and knows the game inside out. It's harder to move up, even though the differences are smaller. In the lower grades, as long as you are actually improving, you'll be the best sooner or later.

As for time-serving, well, I don't think it's a conscious thing, but there may indeed be an unconscious bias. The Willie MacCallums of this world do walk onto the stage with an assumption they will do well - but they also have to bear it out every single time.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:23 AM   #6
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Once you enter that grade you're usually climbing onto the boards after the best America and Canada have to offer.

It would take even the best G1 player a while to break into that I think.


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Old 04-17-2018, 11:39 AM   #7
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My guess would just be that the competition is tougher, because the players are better.
Ditto. When you move properly from one grade to the next, you'll move from the top of the food chain to the bottom of the food chain. That's normal.

I say "properly", because if you sandbag and don't move up when you should simply to continue to win medals, then you may find yourself in the middle of the pack or even winning when you move up to the next grade.

Now, might there be some "earn your stripes" factor in the judging? It's possible. Music can be very subjective at times. It's one thing to crush a doubling. It's another to consistently play a note a shade longer than the specific judge happens to like and he dings you for expression. With very rare exceptions, judges want you to play well, they aren't "out to get you".

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