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History, Tradition, Heritage As related to the subjects of piping, drumming and pipe bands. |
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The BDF Archive is a wonderfully rich data source for many topics - including this one.
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See this Youtube video clip, at around 45 minutes in: https://youtu.be/mUk_KD02E-w?t=2731 |
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(The image illustrating the article is mislabelled. It does not show the pipers at the funeral but is from the day of the earlier performance on the White House Lawn). Quote:
I believe they were the Pipes and Drums of three Lowland regiments. Churchill had been in the Royal Scots at one point and as I have read, his request for his state funeral was that there be as many bands as possible in it.
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There was piping at the 2002 funeral of Ray Hnatyshyn, Governor General of Canada. I saw part of the broadcast; I think his coffin was piped to the cathedral, I'm not sure if by a band or a lone piper, and I vaguely recall a lone piper playing "The Flowers of the Forest" at the end.
Here is a video of Ontario Lieutenant Governor Lincoln Alexander's 2012 funeral procession. At the beginning there is a massed band playing the Green Hills/Battle's O'er set. Later on, there is a combined military pipes-and-military-band playing "Scotland the Brave" and "The Soldier's Return" in not-quite-slow time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkM31UMGYlk On the other hand, I don't know if there was any piping at any point during Governor General Romeo Leblanc's funeral (2009). In the procession, a Navy band marched playing Frederick Chopin's "Marche Funebre".
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![]() In the case of the USA it is my understanding that yes, this is a modern tradition that would have started with the piping at JFK's funeral. It would likely have also encouraged the proliferation of police and fire department pipe bands (the band of the New York City Police Department's Emerald Society was only formed in 1960, that is, three years before JFK's funeral, and according to Wikipedia was one of the first police pipe bands in that country). We shouldn't forget the state funeral of the Duke of Wellington, victor of Waterloo, Commander-In-Chief of the British Army, and twice Prime Minister of the UK, in 1852. Here is one of a series of illustrations depicting the enormous procession he was given: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...hoto/646326792 As I understand, this depicts the 93rd Sutherland Highlanders. Note that the pipers already have somewhat distinct garb (Balmoral-type bonnets as opposed to feather bonnets), but red tunics, not green (accurate for that regiment for the period), that the military band and drummers march ahead of them, and there are only six pipers as opposed to a large military band. I wonder if, in real life, they actually marched so close together and, if so, whether the band and the pipers would have attempted to play music together?
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That dress is in line with illustrations I've seen of around the same period showing 93rd pipers in scarlet doublets and blue bonnets
![]() Note that pipers of a number of regiments were wearing doublets (a purely civilian style) well before they were introduced for all Highland soldiers in 1855.
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Interestingly, around 1845, the pipers of this regiment wore a full MacGregor Red and Black (Rob Roy) tartan uniform owing to a MacGregor commanding officer. ![]()
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Great info, thanks to everyone who took the time to post
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Not exactly on topic, but I have on videotape from TV broadcast the Queen's Piper, I believe, playing as Princess Diana's funeral procession passed by his station (don't recall where this was) -- and I was surprised that his instrument didn't seem in good shape that day, or he was a bit off in his fingering. It wasn't the seamless performance I would have expected. Maybe someone else has more information, or a link to a clip.
Anyway, here's a picture of the Black Watch pipers at JFK's funeral, fom a contemporary National Geographic magazine. ![]() |
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It wasn't the Queen's Piper but a citizen who took it upon himself to show up and play "Abide With Me" when the funeral procession was near to him. No bands were included in the military escort and it was entirely his own initiative. I believe he did this again at the end of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother's funeral (at which massed pipe bands had played a prominent role).
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