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Old 05-03-2019, 03:13 PM   #1
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Default Pinkie Finger Down for Quick C?

Hello,

Our band has been rehearsing the Black Bear. My question relates to the end of first bar - the quick run A---B-C---A.

The pipe major said not to stress about putting our pinkie down (for C) in this movement when we play at pace. As the focus is on getting through the B and C, and back onto the held A.

This A---B-C---A movement is common though 2/4's, and I was wondering what other people do when playing at pace?
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Old 05-03-2019, 03:27 PM   #2
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Hello,

Our band has been rehearsing the Black Bear. My question relates to the end of first bar - the quick run A---B-C---A.

The pipe major said not to stress about putting our pinkie down (for C) in this movement when we play at pace. As the focus is on getting through the B and C, and back onto the held A.

This A---B-C---A movement is common though 2/4's, and I was wondering what other people do when playing at pace?
Similar in the opening measure of Cameron Quickstep. Aka Henderson’s March.
After struggling to nail the pinky down ..but usually inconsistent....I met with a friend...a retired SGPM...asked for a critique...”no problem” said he ..and he played it.
Color me surprised when he used open C’s.... made it greatly easier.

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Old 05-03-2019, 03:36 PM   #3
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Default Re: Pinkie Finger Down for Quick C?

Personally speaking I strive for correct fingering in every idiom. I teach the same way.

In fact Id never even considered using open Cs in black bear.




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Old 05-03-2019, 03:44 PM   #4
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Personally speaking I strive for correct fingering in every idiom. I teach the same way.

In fact Id never even considered using open Cs in black bear.




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Proficiency would have us play either. I was raised on closed C. My SGPM friend is just old enough more than me to have probably learned with open C. In any case,..he plays either.
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Old 05-03-2019, 03:55 PM   #5
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Black Bear is a ghastly composed mish mash..no matter what the setting..I wouldn't stress over it too much..simplify it and then work on unison.
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Old 05-03-2019, 03:56 PM   #6
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Proficiency would have us play either. I was raised on closed C. My SGPM friend is just old enough more than me to have probably learned with open C. In any case,..he plays either.


I certainly cant doubt the knowledge and skill of a SG PM, nor would I.

Merely offering my perspective. Although I assume the higher end bands cheat fingering all the time based on the current tempo push *cough* FMM


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Old 05-03-2019, 06:14 PM   #7
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Grade 1 bands are playing MSR slower than they ever have, though it's not as dire as solo contests. Not that most of them are playing together anyway.



To the topic at hand: on the one hand, it really doesn't matter and there is no-one on God's green earth who could hear the difference in there. On the other hand, it is perfectly possible to do it "correctly" and I think there is a strong argument that playing technique consistently is a better approach.
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:37 PM   #8
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Just my opinion, but false fingering should be avoided. Take your time, use a metronome if needed. Begin slowly and build up to the required tempo. As Calum II stated, it can be done and is done.

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Old 05-06-2019, 06:35 AM   #9
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In Logan's Complete Tutor for the Highland Bagpipe (revised edition, Paterson's Publications), Captain John MacLellan MBE describes the two ways of making C, closed and open. There is a note that "The closed C is normally used most times as the note blends better with the drones. The open C is preferably used only on short notes".

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Old 05-06-2019, 07:04 AM   #10
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On the other hand, it is perfectly possible to do it "correctly" and I think there is a strong argument that playing technique consistently is a better approach.






Greetings to All,

I find myself in the same boat with Calum II on this
one.. though perhaps the boat is increasingly leaky
... and can but hope that we do not sink in a rising
tide of modern convenience. :)

The rule is... I do believe... quite simple...

Playing "C" ?... Kindly keep... the little finger...down... :)

And insofar as who hears what... hmmm... I would
consider that... quite immaterial... otherwise... in
a band (or any other) setting... might as well... simply
stop playing... and then hum ... as loudly as we can...
over any other... of the hard bits...

My thoughts? Just keep after it!! It will come!! :)

Regards to All,

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