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Old 09-20-2020, 04:31 PM   #1
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Default What's all this flap about flapper valves?

I just received my first stand of pipes that I (myself) purchased (as opposed to inherited). A big deal for me.

They came without a flapper valve. The previous owner said he used a Moose valve, and I guess he considered that part not part of the deal. (That said, he was gracious enough to order a conventional flapper valve for me.)

My question is this: what are people using? Is the old leather flapper valve a relic? What about the rubber valves with a brass staple? Has everyone gone to Moose and similar valves?

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Old 09-20-2020, 06:39 PM   #2
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Default Re: What's all this flap about flapper valves?

Airstream (rubber flapper inside, if "flapper" is really an accurate description). I'm sure some still have a leather flapper. In our band, I would guess everyone has some version of a rubber flapper, whether Airstream or similar, Little Mac, etc. None with a Moose that I know.
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Old 09-20-2020, 06:43 PM   #3
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I used to use a Moose valve, but had to switch back to a standard rubber flapper when I switched to a band-mandated tube trap.
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Old 09-20-2020, 06:44 PM   #4
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Well... jviss... over the passage of Time... I have
had... and used... all three... :)

It mainly just boils down to... like much of all else...
what ever your... personal preferences... may be... :)
(They all work!!... and wonderfully well... :)

Days of Old... just (and only :) a bit of well-chewed...
and therefore softened... thin-ish leather... and all
such as that... worked wonderfully well... unless and
until... it grew dry... and hardened... and then had to
be... re-chewed... :) ... and they all lasted... Donkey's
Years!!

And then... thereafter... the rubber flapper valve...
and no chewing needed!! :)... but just make sure
that you've moistened the underside of the rubber...
before you begin playing... to secure a good seal.
And they... lasted for Donkey's years!!

And after yet another interim... The Lil' Mac... and
it... too... worked dependably well... time after time...
and also lasted Donkey's Years!!

Finally..."Cometh the Moose Valve"... and whilst we
as yet are not in possession of sufficient Donkeys...
and their Years... to offer a fully comparative and
complete assessment... they work wonderfully well...
and I have never had one to fail... nor have I ever
heard of one failing.

(I tossed in The Lil'Mac because, while its time may
have now passed... if... you can stumble onto one...
they always work!!... and they last... forever... :)

So just muck about... and see what you like!! :)

Regards... and Good Luck with it,

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Old 09-20-2020, 07:36 PM   #5
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The issue with the Ď70ís technology Lil Mac is having to overbore the blowstick end to install it. Almost to the point ,if not careful,where using a flapper in the future wonít work.

The Moose is a 110% airtight valve with the only downside being no ability to pour off.

So ...for a decade or so Iíve been at it with a vinyl flapper...and, done right, is at least as good as the others mentioned ..with the added pour off benefit.

Leather...well,..I still have the last one I cut and tied in ca. 1985~...Iím certain with a soak or chew it would do fine as always....but technology wins out with a vinyl flapper.
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Old 09-21-2020, 03:07 AM   #6
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The main consideration is compatibility with whatever moisture control you use, if any. Beyond that, if it doesn't restrict blowing and works without fuss then, well, it works.



Personally I'm a fan of the Moose-type valves; I find the vinyl flappers to be fiddly to get genuinely airtight.
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Old 09-21-2020, 03:59 AM   #7
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I'm still rocking the old style flapper in 2020. If it ain't broke.....
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Old 09-21-2020, 04:47 AM   #8
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I remember clearly sitting at my father's knee as a boy of maybe 7 years, as he fashioned and fabricated his own leather flapper. Inheriting some of his piping stuff brought a flood of memories. Some were triggered by smells. "The sense of smell is closely linked with memory, probably more so than any of our other senses. Those with full olfactory function may be able to think of smells that evoke particular memories; the scent of an orchard in blossom conjuring up recollections of a childhood picnic, for example." Mine were triggered by the smell of R.G. Hardie's Airtight Bag Seasoning; there was an old tin of it among his stuff. They should produce a candle with this scent.

I may make a leather flapper in his memory, but I don't know how long I'd stick with it. The newer ones seems so easy, and I'm sure they are much less fussy and more efficient.

I like the rubber ones with the brass or copper "staple." I had seen one white-colored rubber one that someone was raving about.

Here's a thing, though; I've spent almost $30 in postage over the last couple of weeks on three or so orders of bagpipe supplies, and it inevitably turns out that I find I need another "thing" just after I've placed an order. I would have hoped a supplier had a 55Ę stamp, first class mail option for some tiny bit like a flapper. I'm disinclined to spend $8 on postage for a $3.50 cent flapper (that should probably be more like a buck!). So, I'll make one from some scrap leather until I have enough of a shopping cart to justify the postage.
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Old 09-21-2020, 05:25 AM   #9
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It can be worth checking eBay for these kinds of things where there are often "spare bedroom" suppliers with more competitive postage options.
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Old 09-21-2020, 05:59 AM   #10
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... a $3.50 cent flapper (that should probably be more like a buck!). So,
Please letís me know where to get a vinyl flapper for $3.50.....
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