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Old 09-12-2019, 05:10 PM   #1
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Default Stories of a broken Pipe Bands Australia

Pipes|Drums recently published an article about the upcoming election of the PBA executive. In it, they detailed just some of the many issues that have arisen in the PBA over the last 4 years. There is a mountain of cover-up - where people can't speak with the fear of being suspended. Back to the old forum days so we can uncover the truth!
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Old 09-12-2019, 05:12 PM   #2
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We would be interested to know - how many suspensions were handed down in Australia prior to the current administration?
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:15 AM   #3
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I played in the Belfast Tattoo last weekend and my Dad was asked about the trouble in the Aus Pipe Band scene by one of the local pipers. He was referring to the number of pipers in Aus that had seen fit to involve legal counsel to resolve issues with the Association along with other admin matters.


How broken are we that an Irish piper would know about this stuff, not to mention the embarrassment.


The National Youth Pipe Band of Australia was one of the international participants in the Belfast Tattoo and did not even rate a mention in Australia Pipe Band publications, except for an article in Tasmania.


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Old 09-13-2019, 02:14 PM   #4
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I saw that article and personally had not heard of this before. But a good point made if an Irish piper knowing about it must mean it reaches far. In the article it sounded like there is a power struggle because of the large physical distance to the 'main piping culture' means there's more disconnect and more need for local control?

Hard to believe a piping organization could have any 'power', like lord of the flies. Hope it resolves okay, sorry you're all faced with this.
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Old 09-18-2019, 10:07 PM   #5
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It is such a shame that people feel the need to take legal action to get a fair shake of the sauce bottle ... to add to that, the PBA are now trying to impose rules that would stop people being able to have legal representation.

People ask - what are they trying to hide!!!??? Well - currently we have a leader that makes the rules up as he goes. "The Spirit" of the rules, as determined by one person, is more important than what is actually written down. And so, people get suspended, new membership classes are made up, accountability is not taken, transparency is nil.

What I want from OUR PBA (and yes, I say OUR because the association belongs to it's members) is for the members to be able to lead themselves.

We are currently a joke to the rest of the world .... not to say others like Canada and the RSPBA don't have their own issues, but at the end of the day we throw this on ourselves by simply staying as observers. The stories are incredible, but they are kept silent based on fear of suspension. But gradually people are losing their inhibitions and saying enough is enough - people are trying to speak out, while many are also just giving up pipe bands.

They next 2 year term of the administration will determine the future of our movement locally. Please, reach out to your branches - or indeed any other related associations, and tell them what you and your bands want. There are a few out there willing to listen, there are a few in our movement who care more for the development of pipe bands than their own self interests - these are the future leaders. The days of the tartan ties will end!
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Old 09-26-2019, 01:05 AM   #6
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What I want from OUR PBA (and yes, I say OUR because the association belongs to it's members) is for the members to be able to lead themselves.
This is an easy fix.
resign en masse and form your own association.
If you can't get the numbers you have to put up with what you have.
It's called democracy.
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Old 09-27-2019, 09:52 AM   #7
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To paraphrase Sayre's Law: All this vicious fighting about [piping] politics is because the stakes are so low.
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Old 09-27-2019, 01:08 PM   #8
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...the stakes are so low.
So low they're actually down under.
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Old 09-27-2019, 01:51 PM   #9
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Ba dum tsssss

If only playing in a circle with our backs to the audience was interesting enough to pay money to see by those who donít play the instrument.
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Old 09-30-2019, 06:00 PM   #10
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This is an easy fix:
resign en masse and form your own association.
That's what I was thinking.

I don't know the Oz situation. Is there one Pipe Band Association for the entire country?

If so, it seems to me that in a country that large, with bands so spread out, that invariably differences would arise, and that in time these would lead to one or more regions splitting off and going their own way.

It's like that here in the USA: each region has its own Association. We seem to get along fine that way.

Things do crop up, like EUSPBA having a Grade 5 and WUSPBA not. (Eventually WUSPBA followed suit.)
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