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Old 01-11-2017, 09:20 AM   #1
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Default Captain Grant & The Ladies From Hell

Hey all & a Happy New Year!!

I'm looking for info on the two tunes above, not the music, but the "back story" if you like.

They are both solid 2/4 marches which are "under heard" and "underplayed". The only info I currently have is:

Captain Grant - 2/4 march, 2 parts. That's all I've got.

The Ladies From Hell - 2/4 march, 3 parts, by James Macmillan Tait. Other than a rough description of being somehow connected to the Blackwatch regiment, there's no other details around. And even in the "Regimental Music Handbook" (which is a great resource in and of itself) there is no mention of the tune actually being played by the Blackwatch, or any other regiment.

If anyone has any further info (dates etc) or stories connected to these tunes I'd really appreciate it, Thanks.

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Old 01-12-2017, 10:25 AM   #2
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Default Re: Captain Grant & The Ladies From Hell

Five minutes on google turned up the following.

1. Captain Grant was written by P/M MacDougall of the 91st of Foot.
2. It first appeared in Ross's collection which was compiled during the 1850s and 1860s and published in 1869.
3. Captain Grant of the 91st was one of the officers involved in the HMS Birkenhead disaster (1852) whose names "have become honoured in the annals of British pluck and endurance" and whose legacy continues to this day in the Birkenhead Drill.
I'm not saying that's definitely who your tune was about, but it's as good a story as you'll get.

As regards Ladies from Hell, it was written in 1941, so certainly not contemporary with the creation of the nickname in 1915 (incidentally, both this and the Devil Dogs nickname for US marines actually came out of US newspapers and not from the Germans in the opposite trenches).
Can't help you on who JMT was - he doesn't seem to have written anything else.

It's played by the pipes and drums of the 1st Bn Black Watch on their CD "Ladies from Hell"


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Old 01-12-2017, 03:54 PM   #3
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Default Re: Captain Grant & The Ladies From Hell

Thanks Scratcher,

that get's me somewhat of a story behind the tune, although you must have a highly sophisticated version of the Googles where you are 'cause I tried & came up short, so thanks!

Slainte!
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Old 01-12-2017, 04:47 PM   #4
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The nickname "Devil Dogs" came from the Germans in the opposite trenches who called them :Tefel Hunden. (WW1)
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Old 01-12-2017, 11:38 PM   #5
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The nickname "Devil Dogs" came from the Germans in the opposite trenches who called them :Tefel Hunden. (WW1)
This was done to death years ago.

https://bshistorian.wordpress.com/20...ies-from-hell/

http://forums.bobdunsire.com/forums/...il+dogs&page=2

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