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Old 04-30-2020, 08:19 AM   #1
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What do you make of this? Is it helpful? Does it add clarity?



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Old 04-30-2020, 09:11 AM   #2
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I prefer it, though I wouldn't notate the D throw that way, as I don't play it that way (if playing a light throw, I play all three gracenotes the same length). But that's being pedantic. Overall, definitely an improvement.

I've also experimented with changing the note head shapes. a "^" head for a lifting gracenote, a "v" head for a lowering gracenote, a "~" head for a sweeping gracenote (high A doublings and birls), and the normal full note head for the sounding tones (my term for gracenotes that aren't really gracenotes, but actually, well, sounding tones within an embellishment).
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Old 04-30-2020, 08:01 PM   #3
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Yes. That would have helped me a lot when I was starting.
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Old 04-30-2020, 09:36 PM   #4
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I've done something similar, keeping the standard 1/32 notes but replacing the note heads of what I call the "percussive" gracenotes (g & d in a C doubling for ex.) with x's rather than the usual oblong. This indicates what finger to use but that it's not really a 'note'


Makes it really easy to see the melodic movement of the embellishments.
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Old 05-01-2020, 05:13 AM   #5
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[QUOTE=Matt Willis Bagpiper;1345298]I don't play it that way (if playing a light throw, I play all three gracenotes the same length). /QUOTE]


Yes, that's the issue with any such system - there are quite a few movements where there are reasonable alternatives, and standard notation leaves the question open.


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keeping the standard 1/32 notes but replacing the note heads of what I call the "percussive" gracenotes

Which raises the question: how do you notate an E strike? And a high A?


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That would have helped me a lot when I was starting.


That's what I'm wondering! As a teacher it's very easy to overload information and the bagpipe is particularly prone to it since you need to know so much to play three notes in a row. Hence I'm wondering whether this comes into the helpful or hindral category...
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Old 05-01-2020, 05:34 AM   #6
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Any promising, diligent student could benefit by a greater understanding of the real timing of movements. A good teacher will have a sense of how much to pass on to a student at one time, but not what to pass on. A huge number of pipers pay no musical attention whatsoever to embellishments. Yet in listening to the top players, the timing and the crispness of gracing can be awe-inspiring. Though, there is a difference even among top players in crispness and timing, though all are indeed accomplished musicians.

Strathspeys and big 2/4 marches come to mind as being very much a full synthesis of melody and gracing.
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Old 05-01-2020, 08:47 AM   #7
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As a novice piper who initially struggled with embellishment interpretation due to lack of properly reading my tutor book:

I prefer the traditional system. Some beginners may like the convenience of having the embellishments "literally" laid out in a way that's more consistent with their interpretation, but there's something to be said for a good instructor properly layering on this knowledge in a way that is most conducive to each pipers growth. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect that after some time a novice piper knows that when they see a doubling, grip, or taorluath that these embellishments are not just a series of 3-4 grace notes rammed together as quickly as possible.

That being said, I think it's a fine idea and some novice players may very well benefit from this style of introducing the embellishments. I hope that you find success if you implement this notation with your students.
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