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Old 05-16-2011, 07:20 PM   #1
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Default How did you learn.....

This thread....
Led to a discussion about teaching, learning and learning methods and how they have changed....
A substantial number of us learned in conjunction with the Logans tutor but it seemed to be the "older" generation of us
Has Logans fallen out of favour and if so are the more modern tutor books/DVDs etc better than what we had ??????
I personally think Jims' Rythmic fingerwork DVDs are excellent once beginners are over the "hump" of understanding the mechanics of playing but getting there ??????????
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Old 05-16-2011, 08:49 PM   #2
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Sandy Jones' "Beginning the Bagpipe" was my first tutor - I think it's incredible as well. I haven't started teaching yet, but it is an aspiration of mine once I become a more accomplished player and I'm sure I will have my students buy Sandy Jones' book.
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:04 PM   #3
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I never had a tutor book, just my dad when I had a question and Scots Guards I and II. Started shortly after 1995. Though a lot around here used COP.
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:09 PM   #4
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Never had a tutor book either, just Noel Slagle and some hand written sheets and brilliant instruction. Then later, Rich Winslow and Sandy Hain, George Lumsden, Iain Macey, Lindsay Kirkwood, Andrew Wright and lots of sheet music. Worked for me.

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Old 05-16-2011, 09:10 PM   #5
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My instructor had me and my brother start with the COP green tutor when we were kids back in the early to mid '70's. it was great. I just bought Jim's Rythmic Fingering to go back to the basics again. I find I need such a systematic and practical approach.
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:19 PM   #6
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College of Piping Tutors 1 & 3 in 1978-79. Then summer schools beginning in 1988.

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Old 05-16-2011, 09:36 PM   #7
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Sandy Jones' "Beginning the Bagpipes" was also my first tutor which was soon followed by Jim McGillivray's "Rhythmic Fingerwork". Over the years I have used "Rhythmic Fingerwork" as my daily exercises, a section-a-day, with metronome. I keep a daily written log on my weekly progress in each section with the metronome markings usually changing for the following week, but not always. Many of the more difficult exercises I have "starred" and marked with my maximum tempo that I am usually capable of attaining. The "starred" exercises tend to reflect a slower tempo than what some of the easier exercises could be played at; however, I usually let the more difficult exercises limit the tempo and try to work for a good solid technique. I also find myself going back to re-read Jim's text on a regular basis.
Two other great Canadian tutors I have recently started are Major Archie Cairns, MMM the "How To Piobaireachd Manual" and "The Companion" Now with all these tutors if I could just find more time to memorize the tunes!
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:39 PM   #8
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The Louisville Pipe Band uses the CoP green book as well (I think mainly because that's what most of the band's pipers started with). Once our beginning pipers get to a certain point in their playing, we recommend they get Rhythmic Fingerwork.

I started with private lessons first and chose Sandy Jones' book to learn from. Consequently, I didn't get the same basic repertoire the rest of the band did (Scots Wha Hae, Brown Haired Maiden, etc.) and have had to play catch-up with learning some tunes.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:00 PM   #9
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1988 My first p.c. was a Granger and Campbell that came in a boxed set with one of the Logan Tutors and a "teach yourself" cassette. I started lessons about a month later and my instructor had me use the COP green book. In his opinion, some the Logan tutor arrangements were a bit dated for what the band was playing. After getting the basics from the green book, it was straight on to band music.
I still look through the Logan book, and there are some good tunes in their, but the settings remind me a little of the Glen collection.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:12 PM   #10
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I learned in a band (starting in 1967) which used some photocopied pages from Logan's to underline personal instruction from the Pipe Major, and an elderly piper who assisted him. The P/M, Andy Pirie was an ex Gordons piper and the old chap, Tammy Dick ex Scots Guards. Between them they started a lot of kids and I am not the only one that passed through their hands that frequents this place.

In more recent experience I have found far more people use the CoP book these days.

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