Torluath Brebach

[Robin73]

George Moss discusses what "brebach" is and why it's sometimes needed in the crunluath variation in the following recording:

http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/en...ecord/68945/47 from 29:10

In this version of the Earl of Seaforth's Lament: https://ceolsean.net/content/McLenPi...ok01%2018a.pdf the torluath (tri-luath) is not "brebach".

Also in George Moss's version of Struan Robertson's Salute, here: http://www.drpetercooke.uk/occasiona...och-notations/ the torluath is again not "brebach."

I wonder if the torluath brebach is sometimes notated in places where it could reasonably and musically be replaced with a "normal" torluath landing onto an extended theme note as in the examples above?

[will103]

Originally Posted by Robin73

George Moss discusses what "brebach" is and why it's sometimes needed in the crunluath variation in the following recording:

http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/en...ecord/68945/47 from 29:10

In this version of the Earl of Seaforth's Lament: https://ceolsean.net/content/McLenPi...ok01%2018a.pdf the torluath (tri-luath) is not "brebach".

Also in George Moss's version of Struan Robertson's Salute, here: http://www.drpetercooke.uk/occasiona...och-notations/ the torluath is again not "brebach."

I wonder if the torluath brebach is sometimes notated in places where it could reasonably and musically be replaced with a "normal" torluath landing onto an extended theme note as in the examples above?

Hi, from memory of the recordings, George states that these were not hard and fast rules but rather conventions based on tradition (my words). Therefore my take on this is that pipers had options (to a certain extent) to play variations that suited their personal musical preference. Interestingly George stated that this is a possible reason for the difference in variations in different printed sources - what the piper played when the transcriber was taking down the tune. In addition he gave an example (which I cannot remember) of a tune that should have been brebach but tradition had it as not.

Will

[burp birl]

Originally Posted by Robin73

George Moss discusses what "brebach" is and why it's sometimes needed in the crunluath variation in the following recording:

http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/en...ecord/68945/47 from 29:10

In this version of the Earl of Seaforth's Lament: https://ceolsean.net/content/McLenPi...ok01%2018a.pdf the torluath (tri-luath) is not "brebach".

Also in George Moss's version of Struan Robertson's Salute, here: http://www.drpetercooke.uk/occasiona...och-notations/ the torluath is again not "brebach."

I wonder if the torluath brebach is sometimes notated in places where it could reasonably and musically be replaced with a "normal" torluath landing onto an extended theme note as in the examples above?

I really enjoyed that recording. Thanks for sharing!
Jenni

[bob864]

I think the modern convention is that Taorluath Brebach and Crunluath Brebach always go together.