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Old 05-23-2020, 06:16 AM   #1
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Default H. Starck Tone

Could someone describe the tone of an early set of H. Starckís? Iíve yet to hear a set in person. Iím interested in bass presence, overall volume, and ability to tune at modern pitches. Comparisons to other early makers would also be valuable, thx!


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Old 05-23-2020, 11:52 AM   #2
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Look at piping.ca, vintage pipes section, on Jim McGillivray's site. He has a set of Starcks for sale and says they compare favourably with contemporary Hendersons. He also has a set of Boosey Hawkes listed, likely made by Syarck.
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Old 05-23-2020, 10:39 PM   #3
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Ah... Greenpipe,

The above information is spot on... and as well
as Jim's web site... you could also give Ron
Bowen's site, TheBagPipePlace.com, a visit.

In my first band... my first teacher (and a damned
fine one!! :) had a magnificent set of Starck's he
bought directly from the shop before he came to
the U.S.

How... to describe them? Hmm... I am non-plussed...
and in the same manner were I asked to describe
how... exactly... a fine, strong whiskey... would taste.

Warm?? But that's not th' half of it.

Enveloping... surrounding... a depth of tone... and a
volume that both ensnares... and permeates... with
both itsclarity and fullness... stirring the hearer's ear...
and heart.

I do not mean to stumble into over-speaking... but if
you have been in the presence of such... it does make
its mark... and leaves many grand memories... :)

Trusting that you may be fortunate to be graced with
such,

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Old 05-24-2020, 06:07 AM   #4
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In a band I was with in Toronto in the 80s there was a wee chap in his 80s who played a full silver set of Starcks. I believe the pins were hempless. The set must have weighed more than 10 pounds as there was a lot of wood, and the silver was by no means skimped. By the finish of some parades the old chap was staggering, but still game. In his last year or so he played his second set, which he said were Glens, but were made up of pieces from at least three different sets. As his given name was Glen, we teased him that he had picked up odds and ends, put them together and named them after himself.



Glen came from Northern Ireland and I assume he brought the Starcks with him. He dropped out of the band and died shortly afterwards, and I have always wondered who got those pipes. They were magnificent in appearance and tone, and the "Glens" sounded almost as good.

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Old 05-24-2020, 06:46 AM   #5
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I play a Starck (London) set, but from a later period, possibly from the 1940s.

Their tone is unlike anything I've played- not like old Henderson, or Lawrie, or Glen, or any newer pipes.

The drones are on the quiet side, and with the reeds I've tried they don't like to play up to modern pitch.

With ordinary EzeeDrone reeds the drones sing at 466. The tone is rich and complex, possibly the nicest-sounding drones I've had.

But unless a different reed approach will work, they're not useable for modern pipe bands. I use this set for doing gigs with pipe organs etc.
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Old 05-24-2020, 08:29 AM   #6
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I echo Richardís observations. I wouldnít say mellow, but bold doesnít come to mind either. Iím thinking unlikely to find themselves at the Glenfiddich, but much like the more subdued Hardies, have an appeal in their subtlety. Though I would say they are a little bigger than Hardies. The set I played was amenable to many synthetic reeds, sounding good with all that I could fit into the reed seats.
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Old 05-24-2020, 09:45 AM   #7
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Thanks for the replyís, doesnít sound like my cup of tea at the moment.


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Old 05-26-2020, 05:20 PM   #8
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Yes not bold, not mellow, of a medium-to-low volume, complex and sophisticated and very supportive of the chanter.

With a 466 chanter it's a wonderful-sounding set.

The bass drone is superb, and loud enough, and can easily play at 480+.

It's the tenors that are more quiet and want to play at 466.

So I had Rick Pettigrew make me a pair of standard Dunbar tenor drones, bold and singing at 480, that I play with the Starck bass, when I want a modern-pitch band-friendly setup. It's a strong and rich pipe.
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A Very Partial
Quote:
Originally Posted by pancelticpiper

So I had Rick Pettigrew make me a pair of standard Dunbar tenor drones




Greetings to pancelticpiper, and to All,

As with the Starcks... you'll ne'er go wrong with Rick
and Dunbar!! :)

Fine... and unfailing... purpose... and craftsmanship!!

Customer/Client service and satisfaction?? And from
around our globe?? Without doubt!!... few come close...
and none... surpass!!

What e'er the task... both your pipes... and your purse...
could not be... in better hands!!

Regards to All,

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