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Old 01-25-2020, 11:23 AM   #1
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Default Help confirming eBay bagpipes "find"

Hello all,

I recently rolled the dice on a set of pipes on ebay. The price was low because there was supposedly a crack, which I figured I could get repaired (or just replace the stock), but actually I only find the beginning of a crack that doesn't go through, maybe more of a scratch. The pipes are supposed to be 1980's era RG Hardie. Nothing special, nickel (?) ferrules and imitation ivory mounts, flat combed. It's a complete instrument, with all the fittings intact, all it needs is a case and new hemp and reeds. The chanter is stamped RG Hardie Glasgow, but the pipes have no markings.

I just wanted to confirm the pipes weren't an off-brand, or something else, matched with a Hardie chanter. The seller knew only that they had been played in the 1980's, but not when they were made. Aside from the imitation ivory having turned a bit orange and the metal turning a bit dull, they seem to have hardly been handled. The reeds were cane, the valve is a leather flap, and there is an L&M hide bag tied on that doesn't seem to have ever been seasoned (no residue of anything in the bag or stocks, just a musty smell). I tried a set of going drone reeds and the pipes struck in with no problem, bang on at 466hz. Very steady, even with the leaky bag and loose hemp. Not going to play them just yet, when I do I will bring them into use gradually.

My other questions are :
-The blowpipe and stock are straight wood, no lining. Is it likely they'll crack? Worth it to have them lined?
-The bag wasn't totally airtight, but it's very supple. It might tighten up with some seasoning and playing, but like I said it has a musty smell - is it better to play it safe and tie on a new bag?

Anyway, my intention was to have a handy spare set for playing outside of band, that I can have set up at Bb pitch, and it seems this will work for exactly that. Before I get too excited though I wanted to ask if they look legit. I couldn't figure out how to post pictures so I just panned them with my camera phone and tried to focus on the parts that would indicate their make/age:

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Old 01-25-2020, 01:22 PM   #2
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I think they’re Laurie’s
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Old 01-25-2020, 01:53 PM   #3
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I think they’re Laurie’s
They might be Laurie's, but unless they changed the combing and beading, I don't think they're Lawries. At least they don't look like mine.

To your other questions -

#1 - Yes, play them long enough to accumulate moisture, and don't remove and dry your blowpipe, it will crack. Not it, but when.

#2 - Why not season and play the existing bag until it gives out, THEN buy a new one? My Scot's mentality always has me taking the cheapest route first!

Good luck.
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Old 01-26-2020, 04:36 PM   #4
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DapperDan,

Well... the camera is moving about a bit... so part of this... if
not all... is mainly guesswork. :)

There are no rolled ferrules... which are indicative of Lawries...
but those could have been changed. (??)

Any road... they look to be a good set... and you'll most probably
not go wrong with them. :)

As for that dear old L&M hide bag? Keep it! Season it!! And it
may well outlast us all !! :)

Regards,

Pip01


A Quick Post Script:

As for the wood? Used some Doctor's Bore Oil on the
set... and all shall most probably come 'round right!! :)






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Old 01-26-2020, 04:56 PM   #5
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Looks like a very nice instrument regardless of brand...easily worth in the $800 to $1000 range.
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Old 01-26-2020, 06:15 PM   #6
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Thanks all,

I'm debating about the bag, I seasoned it today and it got tight, but seasoning seeped through some of the stitching. Also, it smells like it was sitting in a damp cellar - I was more concerned about it being unsanitary than unusable. There's a tag on the bag stamped "1 86" - does this indicate a date? I'm thinking it's the original bag, given that the pipes seem to have hardly been played. I'm going to let them sit a few days, then oil them and re-hemp, and go from there.
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Old 01-26-2020, 07:01 PM   #7
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They don't look like any Lawrie set I've owned, not only the ferrules but also the drone tops.

They do look like legit Scottish-made pipes. They'll probably play well when reeded up.

Here are Lawries from c1970

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Old 01-26-2020, 08:54 PM   #8
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DapperDan,


Throw a few copper pennies into the bag... and that
will handily take care of any microbial beasties for
which you may have any concern. (I know it's Old
School... but that's where I learned... and such has
worked wondrously well for Donkeys Years... and
Eons of Time... and for many who have gone before. :)

Th' smell?!... Sorry!!... No way around that!! :)

Just all part... of The Piping Game... :)

But I'd be willing to bet... that with a proper resurrection...
more Time... and in abundance... is still available from
that plain... ol'... leather bag... :)

I've had more than one... old one... brought back... and
they have lasted... and lasted... and lasted... :)

Wishing you the Best of Good Fortune with yours!


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A Post Script:

The seasoning leaking through the seams is almost to
be expected... and especially after such a long while.

Simply re-season... and perhaps even for a third time.

The AirTight will need to build some layers... but I've
never know it to fail. (Even in the oldest and driest.)

Also... if you are beset with a or any "pinholes" on
the outside... simply get a small tube of general
construction glue... and some meshed surgical
tape (available in most drug stores)... smear the
glue around the hole... 1 square inch around it...
apply the mesh... push it firmly so that it will
permeate the mesh... and then apply another
thin layer of the glue on top of that.

Let it air dry for a day or so... or you can push it
along with a hair dryer... and... Bob's Your Uncle!"

I've had a couple of these... and they ain't failed yet!! :)

Good Luck with Yours!! :)


A Post--Post Script:

The 1-- 86 is most probably for January (19)86...
but don't let that... dissuade you... :)




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Old 01-27-2020, 06:41 AM   #9
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Get yourself a Canmore hybrid bag as a replacement if the leather bag poops out..size large...best bag out there IMO...feels like you're playing one of the old leather L&M's...the Pipes look like a set of Hardies that I have...superb pickup...what did you pay for them?
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I'm not seeing anything that makes me doubt that they are Hardies, from that era. It can be hard to tell with flat-combed sets, but nothing jumps out at me as clearly something else.
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