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Old 04-29-2020, 10:59 PM   #1
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Default Bag fullness

Ever since fixing my moisture issue with the new DriFlo Iíve been working on my blowing and pressure.


I have noticed that my drones and chanter are pretty much rock steady if I donít blow the bag up to 100% capacity and always keep a firm pressure with my arm, feathering it in the bag as I take a breath and obviously blowing my arm out.


Apologies if this may be a redundant question or post, but do you ever blow your bag out completely, or to the point where it is just about full? Is this a common practice?


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Old 04-29-2020, 11:05 PM   #2
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Default Re: Bag fullness.

Yep, I always keep my bag fully inflated, it's easier to keep it steady that way. I use the analogy of dribbling a basket ball footfall, you can't do it if it's under inflated, same with the pipes.

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Old 04-30-2020, 04:44 AM   #3
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I have noticed that my drones and chanter are pretty much rock steady if I donít blow the bag up to 100% capacity and always keep a firm pressure with my arm, feathering it in the bag as I take a breath and obviously blowing my arm out.
I'm presuming you mean you don't blow it up like a balloon? That the bag is filled, but that you aren't trying to blow it up and burst the seams?

How you have described, constant arm pressure, is how you achieve steady blowing. Your arm is doing the work, not so much your lungs. Your arm will be under constant tension, less when blowing and more when breathing obviously, but still under tension regulating the pressure. If you are doing it right, you'll likely get a sore shoulder before your lips go.

I video record myself most practices as I can tell when I'm tired, or don't know the tune well enough as my blowing technique suffers. I can see it and hear it. So I then have a solid target for what to improve on.
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Old 04-30-2020, 06:59 AM   #4
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Default Re: Bag fullness.

Like a rock is an appropriate guideline and ,of course, no leaks ...at zipper,seam,collars,walls...from anywhere including flapper valve joints ,from
under drone caps...anywhere + efficient drone reed settings.

Worse case,..you might play a slightly stronger reed,..not massively...just 1-2Ē

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Old 04-30-2020, 07:45 AM   #5
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I have noticed that my drones and chanter are pretty much rock steady if I donít blow the bag up to 100% capacity and always keep a firm pressure with my arm, feathering it in the bag as I take a breath and obviously blowing my arm out.

You're doing it exactly right. The arm is the engine that controls bag pressure, and if your bag is fully inflated, your arm can't contribute.
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:16 AM   #6
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I'm presuming you mean you don't blow it up like a balloon? That the bag is filled, but that you aren't trying to blow it up and burst the seams?

How you have described, constant arm pressure, is how you achieve steady blowing. Your arm is doing the work, not so much your lungs.
You are correct, not blowing up to the point where it is like a bloated balloon.

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You're doing it exactly right. The arm is the engine that controls bag pressure, and if your bag is fully inflated, your arm can't contribute.

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Old 04-30-2020, 12:56 PM   #7
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Default Re: Bag fullness.

I would just add that you should do what feels most comfortable while maintaining constant pressure.

I think it's generally accepted that a full bag is the most efficient but some find it more comfortable to 'overfill' the bag so that the bag itself is providing some of the pressure instead of the arm. If that's the case and it works for you then I say go for it. I personally prefer to take as long of breaths as I can so that there is a slower, longer cadence to the squeezing/blowing cycle but everyone is different.

In the end it does not matter as long as you're consistent, comfortable, and can maintain that comfort throughout a full playing session.
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Old 04-30-2020, 01:35 PM   #8
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maybe your bag is too big...
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I find my most stable pressure is with the bag fully inflated as much as possible. My playing is better too. It is harder to exert pressure the closer your arm is to your body so a fully inflated bag allows me to keep a more relaxed shoulder and arm since itís easier to squeeze, and therefore my playing is more relaxed.
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maybe your bag is too big...
Well FWIW I've considered getting a smaller one. So Probably.
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