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Old 03-24-2019, 11:25 AM   #21
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Default Re: Difference between a Salute, Gathering and a Lament?

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What do you mean “no structural difference”? I’m unclear.


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How a tune is arranged or how the different sections in a piece of music are put together to form the composition is one way of describing musical structure.



A good example of a recognizable song structure is 12 bar blues.


So what I meant was that when I look at salutes, gatherings and laments, they don't seem to have recognizable, differing structures that would make one say upon hearing (without knowing the title) 'ahh, that is definitely a lament', for example.
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Old 03-24-2019, 12:04 PM   #22
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Default Re: Difference between a Salute, Gathering and a Lament?

I see. No, if Joseph’s MacDonald is right, then then”rule of thumb” dominated enough as a mnemonic that any genre would be similarly constrained by it.

And there is no particular correlation between “primary” and “secondary” etc etc pibrochs and any given genre. And so on.

But Barnaby Brown has been doing a lot of research into tonality and internal structures. And he might be finding some interesting hints in there.

We also might see common musical motifs and use those to group tunes and see what we come up with.

I do think it is possible to hypothesize and to observe. Scientists and scholars do it all the time.

But Keith’s insistence on a “firm basis” is a good one.




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