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Old 01-08-2019, 04:30 AM   #21
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Has anyone tried the drone extenders that go on TOP of the drones rather than on the reed? They look weird but they seem like they'd be easier to use.



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I have had only one occasion to play which required pipes in A 440. I have an old no-name Indian chanter that pitches in a, and used extenders, internal and external to get my drones down to A. I experimenting, I tried an old set of the original Shepherd synthetic drone reeds with Crisler replacement tongues and achieved A 440 with only the end cap extensions.
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Old 01-10-2019, 02:16 PM   #22
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I tried multiple ways to get my band pipes set up for Bb but was not successful. I ended up buying a McCallum Bb chanter and RJS Bb reeds. I also use drone extenders.
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Old 01-10-2019, 02:29 PM   #23
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Not a lot...but Iíd think drone bush extensions would reduce the drone volume a bit ...the i.d. of the implant would be 2mm or so smaller than the makers Ďbench design specí bush. .

Anyone out there actually measure the before- after dB ?
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Old 01-11-2019, 04:56 AM   #24
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Has anyone tried the drone extenders that go on TOP of the drones rather than on the reed?
Yes indeed! Many years ago my Pipe Major and I had to play Anchors Aweigh for a US Navy event.

As it happens that tune fits perfectly on the Highland pipe scale- but in the key of G. The tune sounds perfectly normal with the drones shut off, but when you have drones playing A with a tune in G it sounds odd.

So we brought our drones down to G by sticking pieces of clear vinyl tubing in the ends of our drones. Strange looking as you say, but it sounded good.

The best thing about the tubing was that we played Anchors Aweigh first, then pulled out the tubes for the rest of our gig. We had the tubing set so that our drones were all tuned to their normal spots. (You can move the tubing up and down to fine-tune the drones.)

Later I found that a much more effective (and better-looking!) way to bring down the pitch of a drone was to put a brass tube in the drone bottom section, sticking up into the tone chamber, hemp wrapped around the tube (no metal-to-wood contact).

Once again you can fine-tune the drone by moving the tube up and down.

I found I could easily bring a drone all the way down from A to G with the drone remaining good-sounding and stable.
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Old 01-11-2019, 05:08 AM   #25
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I tried multiple ways to get my band pipes set up for Bb but was not successful.
Yes with my band pipes too I'd be fighting the instrument to force the drones down to 466. Those old Lawries just love playing 480+ with the drones way up on the hemp!

And trying to get a 480+ chanter to play in 466, so far from where the reed is happy... why?

Which I why I have separate 466 and 480 sets.

BTW there were two St Patrick's Days in a row where I had to play all day in various restaurants.

One year I used my 480+ band pipes. Numerous times people complained about the volume, go play outside, etc.

The next year I used my 466 pipes and everyone loved the pipes wherever I played. It was a lesson learned.

The other advantage to using 466 pipes at gigs as a general rule is that you never know when you might be put in the position of playing with other musicians. Thing is, so many events have bands up on stages playing and a piper wandering around. I've played with jazz bands and Irish folk bands and rock bands and always been right in tune.

Ditto church gigs. Maybe when they hired me they weren't thinking of having me play with the pipe organ, but heck, why not?
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Old 01-11-2019, 05:50 PM   #26
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I have three pipe chanters.
A 73 Hardie pitching nicely to B flat with no tape. The best pipe chanter ever made.
A 84 Gillanders pitching nicely to B flat with no tape.
And a A 80s Nail pitching nicely to B flat with no tape.

B flat is not a problem!
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:43 AM   #27
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Anyone care to opine a comparison between a modern Shepherd Bb and e.g. Mccallum Bb chanter. Others? Abw or poly?
I believe Shepherd and G1 make Bb specific reeds. any other makers?
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:23 AM   #28
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I bought a G1 b-flat chanter last year for a gig. I play a standard Shepherd straight-cut reed in it (NOT their purpose-made b-flat reed), just out of sheer laziness (I set it up with what I had lying around). It was no problem getting it to pitch right at 466. Nice intonation, very comfortable chanter to play, no complaints. Remains in my gig bag for future use.
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Old 01-29-2019, 11:43 AM   #29
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Anyone care to opine a comparison between a modern Shepherd Bb and e.g. Mccallum Bb chanter. Others? Abw or poly?
I believe Shepherd and G1 make Bb specific reeds. any other makers?

So ...Iíve just obtained a poly Mccallum Bb chanter.

Itís their new Ceol chanter made as a Bb model. Round holes.

What Iíd like to say is...I opened the box...put in an easy-medium Shepherd Bb reed to where I approximated it ounght to about be ...based on other standard McC chanters /Shepherd reeds Iíve set up.

Without a further touch ...the chanter mouth blew perfecl green lights at 440 according to my Korg CA tuner.

Ha. Iím still dazed. Iíve never had any chanter/reed combo do that at first try .....maybe close ...but never so precisely exact on the first blow.

And....BTW....the chanter sounds fantastic. Bright and solid..canít wait for a Church/organ gig Iíve got scheduled in a few weeks.

Way to go McCallum!!
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Old 02-01-2019, 04:43 AM   #30
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Hi Guys,

Earlier in this thread somebody asked about the MG drone extenders. It prompted us to ask Rory to do a short video to illustrate how they work.

I would agree with what’s been said in this thread, if you play a lot in Bb its best to set up a different set purely in Bb ,but if you only have one set or only play occasionally ,the extenders are just what you need.

The idea came about when Rory was playing with Scottish Power at the Worlds concert.Opening it in pipe band pitch, but then played in the second half in Bb. At Celtic Connections opening concert they did the same, the first half in pipe band pitch then the second half along with Capercaillie. Rory came up with this idea that meant they didn’t have to alter any drone reeds so could easily, and quickly, change to the lower pitch in between the 2 half’s “

The white meter is set at 455 and the black at 440.

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