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Old 05-08-2017, 04:09 AM   #21
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Yes people seem to stay away from the PM, I don't mind. I'm big and ugly enough to tell him when he makes a mistake.

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Old 05-08-2017, 10:55 AM   #22
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So let me get this straight, Mike, someone in the sanctioning association will actively discourage a band to compete by writing a letter asking if they've improved since the last time they lost? Why don't they simply downgrade the band and then set a limit on the bands that can play on the day? That seems a bit nuts to me. With higher grade bands getting bigger and more choosy, why would a games limit the duffers who show up for the crowd?
Hey, Steve. So that I didn't divert the original topic any more, I sent you a private message outlining what I'd mentioned. Cheers, M
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Old 05-08-2017, 11:27 AM   #23
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... someone in the sanctioning association will actively discourage a band to compete by writing a letter asking if they've improved since the last time they lost?...
I'm thinking generally that our Associations are meant to oversee,foster and encourage the proliferation of quality piping to a graded/sanctioned standard;

.... if a known band habitually or occasionally shows up that is 'always' embarrassingly dead last poor in its performance....and is otherwise out of touch aside from having paid dues to be in the lowest grade....should the Association tell them the truth?...or must it allow a participation trophy scenario?
No disrespect meant to any band out there 'on the fence'.

I'm reminded of a DM event where in a field of 8-9 DM's ...all well kitted properly,...one fellow decided that day he too would 'compete'...he looked like Linus of Peanuts by comparison ..was absolutely clueless about 'everything' ...fortunately ...because the single event includes all competitors in one go...it didn't waste much of the adjudicators time to write DNP or FAIL on the score sheet. But ...some guys have big brass...:grin.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:35 PM   #24
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I'm thinking generally that our Associations are meant to oversee,foster and encourage the proliferation of quality piping to a graded/sanctioned standard;

.... if a known band habitually or occasionally shows up that is 'always' embarrassingly dead last poor in its performance....and is otherwise out of touch aside from having paid dues to be in the lowest grade....should the Association tell them the truth?...or must it allow a participation trophy scenario?
No disrespect meant to any band out there 'on the fence'.

I'm reminded of a DM event where in a field of 8-9 DM's ...all well kitted properly,...one fellow decided that day he too would 'compete'...he looked like Linus of Peanuts by comparison ..was absolutely clueless about 'everything' ...fortunately ...because the single event includes all competitors in one go...it didn't waste much of the adjudicators time to write DNP or FAIL on the score sheet. But ...some guys have big brass...:grin.
I understand your point, and I agree with the comment about someone or some entity being an embarrassment. This is not the case that I reference. It's also complicated by a number of factors, not the least of which are bands which prove to be in a higher grade, yet are still allowed to compete at a lower grade. For example, there was a Grade 3 band that actually appealed to be left in Grade 4 under the rationale that being in Grade 3 was going to be too anxiety-producing. Seriously?

As I stated, our band, and others, are credible. If ever we were an embarrassment on the field, I'd be the first to pull them. And I would expect the judges to indicate clearly that our band needs to drop a grade. That's not happened, and we're not the lowest on the rung. We, like other bands, cycle...up and down. We've dominated Grade 3 in the past; we haven't been in the running in a while, though we've also not competed as much. We likely will be back in the running again. Simply put, bands--and I agree then they need to be at least credible--should be allowed to compete no matter their motives.
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