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Old 04-09-2017, 02:09 PM   #21
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Right on, Steve. But of course, there's always stuff to try first. I still haven't had them solder the clip onto the bare wires yet. I'd say that only if that gets me nowhere I'm afraid we'll have to overhaul it as suggested by Buzz.
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Old 04-11-2017, 05:36 PM   #22
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Hey Buzz,
Since there is a flat piece right by the rubber stuff, how did you manage to get through that? I mean, without doing something to the bottom I wouldn't even know that the bottom wires are attached to the power buttons. Just curious. Since that hole is
so small I can't even feel it, so it's hard for me to imagine you seeing how the wires attach to the top. And since the chanter part is so thin, how do you see the wires also? I'm not sure how an electronic repair person could look at the wires without somehow taking that flat piece off.
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Old 04-13-2017, 08:15 AM   #23
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Right. The design certainly makes servicing the chanter difficult. I didn't visually confirm that the power leads connect to the power switch contacts, but they must in order for the circuit to work. Soldering on the battery connector is step 1. Let's start with that. If that doesn't work, the tech can test power at the PCB. From there, it gets more "fun" - and we don't want that kind of fun!
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Old 04-13-2017, 04:09 PM   #24
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Sorry Michael I've been extremely busy so I've missed most of the posts.
My Deger had (2) leads ( Red & black ). I bought a pack of battery clips from Radio Shack and their leads were also red&black.
I took the soldering iron heated it up & "tinned" all 4 leads separately first, (getting solder to adhere to all 4 leads ). My soldering kit came with a small clamp so I clamped the red leads together and soldered them, and then did same with the
black ones. Red to Red & Black to Black.
I then wrapped black electrical tape round the black lead, and likewise with the red, and then wrapped the whole thing to prevent them being pulled apart.
I hope this helps.
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Old 04-13-2017, 05:14 PM   #25
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"They must in order for the circuit to work."
Makes total sense!
And Douglas, thanks for clarifying. I'll have my stepdad see if he can solder them together - I'm pretty sure that will get them up and running, but of course, if not, I'll tell you. Either that or I'll take it to an electronic store to have them look at the wires inside. I think that with the tape on the old insulating wires made the electric connection unatainable. Though my Dad tells me that if there's a clicking sound when I plug headphones in, then the clip is soldered on correctly. There was indeed a loud click or pop sound when I plug anything into the Midi jack, but not the headphone jack... Odd...
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Old 04-13-2017, 06:50 PM   #26
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Hi Douglas,
Just a bit of a trick. This will require you to put on another clip, so just be warned. Good thing you bought several of them
When I got my Degers, a battery clip (minus the snap) was soldered and taped (on one side) to the existing wires. Me, dumb as I was, I thought that the end of the clip wires were the actual wires of the Degers themselves, so when Bri and I took the Degers to a store, they soldered a fresh new 9v battery clip onto the clipless wires thinking again that these were the Deger's own wires, substantially lengthening the wires and creating less space. When I tried to start the pipes up, nothing would happen. So Douglas, if you try the trick of breaking off the snap and soldering the entire new clip to those wires - if it doesn't start then, chances are that's the exactly where I would pinpoint and isolate the problem. I did hear a click when plugging headphones into the lower Midi jack, but not the upper headphone jack. But since Bri took off the old clip wires and tore off the tape, it's just the Deger's own in-built wires now. If soldering the clip directly onto the Deger wires works - rather than onto the old clip wires - then that'll be cool, I'd tell Bri and she's probably gonna ask me to play a yodel song on the Degers... But if it doesn't work, off to the electronic store...
By the way, there is indeed a yodeling song about a bagpiper! He quit piping just to pursue yodeling, so the story goes. It was from '35 by Harry Hopkinson "Torrani". (and again if Bri didn't tell me about this, I wouldn't have known). But a yodeling piper is freaky to me! Wonder if Manfred Deger, being German, is a good yodeler? According to Bri, the late "King of Yodelers", Franz Lang, was Bavarian (German I believe). He was known as the "king" because popular wisdom has it that he was the best yodeler ever.
Ok, blame all this on Bri... the one who helped me take the picture of the Deger...
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Old 04-14-2017, 09:33 PM   #27
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Gday from DOWN UNDER PIPER

My Deger is 17 y.o. so I really can't complain that they "died" yesterday. My research showed that Manfred Deger is very, very slow to respond to emails and also that freight, possible duty on repairs held up in Germany, would lead to more heartache. This is apart from the fact that a recent injury means I need to use the Deger for the time being.

Well, even though I am a techno. nobody, I found a severed wire in the battery compartment. I am sure this is caused by the wires to the battery being too short so that the wires are being continually stretched when trying to change the battery. I was always very careful of this problem from day one.

I found a not so good set of ear phones, cut off some wire sections, stripped ends and soldered them onto the existing wires to make them extend. This was very difficult on the earth wire because it severed about 1" up the chamber.

Well, it did the job and I am back on the air. Time to down a good single malt!
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:14 AM   #28
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Hurray for you, DUP! I guess that since your Deger is so old however that it doesn't allow the drones to start on their own? Also on some early prototypes of the first generation Deger they sound somewhat buzzy. Like if you're playing a note on a keyboard that's so high you can hear a lower note, this is known as "Heterodyne". I've heard that early Degers, maybe around the '90's, have this distinctive heterodyne type buzzing noise. I sure hope mine doesn't once it's repaired... Also, you'll be able to tell it's the first iteration if the D note on the smallpipe sound is sharp. The versions that allow droens to start on their own have an in-tune D on the smallpipes.
Oh, by the way, happy Easter in advance!

Michael
PS. I don't think the Easter bunny knows how to solder wires...
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Old 04-15-2017, 12:07 PM   #29
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Michael,
There are two leads (one red, one black) inside the deger pipes.
The battery clip has (one red, one black).
So you solder the red wires of both together. Solder the black of each together.
Tape the soldered red. Then tape the soldered black.
Then wrap tape round red and black for added insurance (to prevent pulling) your solder job apart. and call it a day.
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Old 04-15-2017, 12:44 PM   #30
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That makes total sense, Douglas.
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