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Old 03-06-2020, 03:57 PM   #21
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I would concur with Pip01... While there are some really fantastic examples of synthetic ivory out there complete with simulated Schreger lines, the colour, opacity, and durability of Dunbar poly mounts are tough to beat. Pretty much invincible, the colour is a nice mellow "ivory", not bright at all, which goes very well with the deep black "ebony" parts the mounts adorn. Se here for some images in different light conditions on a white background.

[QUOTE=Pip01]... Dunbar Bagpipes Ltd. began to restore (and "to [/FONT][/SIZE]
original condition") a very old set of Lawries for me... and
part of their faultless restoration... was their use of their
imitation ivory... which looked just damned-well superb!!

Since then... "The Old Set"... has been played all over
North America... and the Caribbean... and in Central
America... and in Europe... and that Old Devil... Time...
has yet... to sully... or decrease... the warmth or the hue...
of Dunbar's imitation ivory. (And no chips!!, either!!
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Old 03-06-2020, 10:29 PM   #22
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I would concur with Pip01... While there are some really fantastic examples of synthetic ivory out there complete with simulated Schreger lines, the colour, opacity, and durability of Dunbar poly mounts are tough to beat. Pretty much invincible, the colour is a nice mellow "ivory", not bright at all, which goes very well with the deep black "ebony" parts the mounts adorn. Se here for some images in different light conditions on a white background.
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... Dunbar Bagpipes Ltd. began to restore (and "to [/FONT][/SIZE]
original condition") a very old set of Lawries for me... and
part of their faultless restoration... was their use of their
imitation ivory... which looked just damned-well superb!!

Since then... "The Old Set"... has been played all over
North America... and the Caribbean... and in Central
America... and in Europe... and that Old Devil... Time...
has yet... to sully... or decrease... the warmth or the hue...
of Dunbar's imitation ivory. (And no chips!!, either!!

I just visited the Dunbar site and they look like they have started using a premium synthetic Ivory, they even have the schreger lines, cool stuff.
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Old 03-07-2020, 03:40 AM   #23
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This stuff is actually celluloid. It is very stable once finished. But in the shaping process it proved to be highly combustable when exposed to temperatures of 150 Celsius or higher.

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Celluloid is cellulose nitrate. There are more modern alternatives such as cellulose acetate that can be fantastic. If you want to see what I mean search for pictures of the Pelikan Souverain pens. These pens have bodies with wider stripes but no reason why the process could not be modified. In fact I wonder if the stuff that Shepherd uses is cellulose acetate?

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Old 03-07-2020, 09:51 AM   #24
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I just visited the Dunbar site and they look like they have started using a premium synthetic Ivory, they even have the schreger lines, cool stuff.
I believe this is the same material seen here on remounted 1920s Robertsons from Jim McGillivray's vintage pipes:



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Old 03-07-2020, 01:04 PM   #25
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"I believe this is the same material seen here on remounted 1920s Robertsons from Jim McGillivray's vintage pipes"

That's actually a set of Robertsons I currently have for sale. I believe it's Warther Resin-Ivory+S. available here: https://guitarpartsandmore.com/produ...ound-Stock-152

Burley Bagpipe Co. also has this as a mount option material.
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Old 03-08-2020, 05:10 AM   #26
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That's beautiful stuff...I just might have to send my pumpkin mounted Naills out for a refurb.
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Old 03-08-2020, 06:13 PM   #27
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"I believe this is the same material seen here on remounted 1920s Robertsons from Jim McGillivray's vintage pipes"

That's actually a set of Robertsons I currently have for sale. I believe it's Warther Resin-Ivory+S. available here: https://guitarpartsandmore.com/produ...ound-Stock-152

Burley Bagpipe Co. also has this as a mount option material.
Nice find! That's a cool product.

For the curious here are imitation ivories from three different makers that I have on hand, broken down to show them next to each other-

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Old 03-09-2020, 06:59 AM   #28
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I have no problem with Catalin. That's what is on my Lawries. Yeah, it's darkening towards orange. Shows its age.

I understand people are into aesthetics. I'm more concerned over whether they play well, I'm playing well, and they sound decent.
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Old 03-09-2020, 08:21 AM   #29
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I think there is an aesthetic quality to older, worn material. When I first got my old Robertson’s my plan was to have them refurbished with new mounts replacing the tan, cracked casein.

Today, I have no plan to do that. I like how they look. The drones look “gnarly,” some have small chips in them. BUT.... they sound amazing and steady.

To me there’s aesthetics in that!

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Old 03-09-2020, 12:27 PM   #30
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To me there’s aesthetics in that!


There's definitely aesthetics in that bulky topped, chalky mounted goodness.
You see that signature, and you know you're in for something tasty when they fire up.

Yum!

Getting on towards 100+ years easy on those.
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