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Old 05-26-2020, 10:31 AM   #51
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. Fortunately, before applying this advice, the inexperienced piper had asked me if I thought it would help.
Even if it might have helped...it wouldn’t have eliminated the source ..the wet blowing piper. The best worst advice could have been to rinse his mouth with alum powder before playing. 🤮
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Old 05-26-2020, 10:32 AM   #52
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"A Gannaway", he replied. He was dubious when I told him that Gannaway bags were hide,

Maybe it was a Gannaway nauga-hide bag?
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Old 05-26-2020, 10:38 AM   #53
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Maybe it was a Gannaway nauga-hide bag?


Uh uh,..Nauga’s we’re almost extinct in NZ and are now a protected species.
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Old 05-27-2020, 12:35 PM   #54
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maybe he meant a "gone away "bag, which the synthetic bag probably would have become with seasoning
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Old 06-04-2020, 06:44 AM   #55
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That reminds me, when you're out playing somewhere do you ever have old guys rub your pipe bag between their fingers and thumb to see if it's squishy with seasoning?

For many years I played an L&M bag which I never seasoned. It came air-tight and after a decade of playing was still air-tight and was dry inside. So these old guys would rub the bag and say "that's too dry, you need to season it" and I would tell them I never seasoned that bag and I never will. They don't believe it.

Then for a year or so I played a Ross Gore-Tex bag and these guys would recoil at the strange thin flimsy feel.

But for years now it's been sheepskin and these guys get the satisfying squishy rub they want.
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Old 06-04-2020, 09:35 AM   #56
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I think we're all guilty sometimes of dispensing pearls of wisdom without being able to justify it or know when to make an exception. For example, where does the "two strands of hemp showing" rule come from? How many of us can actually justify or demonstrate it from first principles? It's certainly not a rule followed by other pipers on other instruments.
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I think we're all guilty sometimes of dispensing pearls of wisdom without being able to justify it or know when to make an exception. For example, where does the "two strands of hemp showing" rule come from? How many of us can actually justify or demonstrate it from first principles? It's certainly not a rule followed by other pipers on other instruments.
Good point. My understanding that, amongst others, Jamie Troy (the elder) did a number of studies, using microphones and other equipment, many years ago on the optimal 'volume' of air (and where) in drones for the best sound. I remember him recommending, for instance, on the bass, having the lower segment down (e.g., an inch or so from the stock) and the upper with more volume (i.e., showing a bit of hemp).

I wonder how many times the source of advice--valid or not--is lost and just becomes part of the stream of things we tell each other, students, etc.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:31 AM   #58
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I think we're all guilty sometimes of dispensing pearls of wisdom without being able to justify it or know when to make an exception. For example, where does the "two strands of hemp showing" rule come from? How many of us can actually justify or demonstrate it from first principles? It's certainly not a rule followed by other pipers on other instruments.
Exactly, received wisdom. It almost like these little nuggets become factoids.

This get to me ALOT. I suppose with my job/work I have been taught to be analytical (but hopefully not too anal-lytical).
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:41 PM   #59
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Good point. My understanding that, amongst others, Jamie Troy (the elder) did a number of studies, using microphones and other equipment, many years ago on the optimal 'volume' of air (and where) in drones for the best sound. I remember him recommending, for instance, on the bass, having the lower segment down (e.g., an inch or so from the stock) and the upper with more volume (i.e., showing a bit of hemp).

I wonder how many times the source of advice--valid or not--is lost and just becomes part of the stream of things we tell each other, students, etc.
I immediately feel the need to pick up on the inclusion in this statement of the words “many years ago”. This brings into the equation consideration of what the commonly accepted chanter pitch was at the time. My own experience of the behaviours of the bass front in particular is that the relative optimum positions of the top and bottom joints, and how to achieve the best harmonic effect, has altered slightly as pitch has risen. Add to this that the optimum positions will vary from one maker to another, and even one set of pipes to another from the same maker, and it’s just a whole world of variables!
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:38 PM   #60
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I immediately feel the need to pick up on the inclusion in this statement of the words “many years ago”. This brings into the equation consideration of what the commonly accepted chanter pitch was at the time. My own experience of the behaviours of the bass front in particular is that the relative optimum positions of the top and bottom joints, and how to achieve the best harmonic effect, has altered slightly as pitch has risen. Add to this that the optimum positions will vary from one maker to another, and even one set of pipes to another from the same maker, and it’s just a whole world of variables!
I would concur with you, entirely, Roddy!
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