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Old 07-21-2017, 02:42 AM   #1
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Default Rubber bands

Applying an rubber band (Dental) around the chanter reed near the lips can make it easier and sharpen the reed slightly. But what difference would the rubber band make if placed over the sound box of the reed?
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:09 AM   #2
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Jerry Gibson did an impressive demonstration of how putting a hemp bridle over the sound box of a reed fixed the dreaded "double F" problem, likewise how you could move the bridle up or down a tiny bit to fine-tune the F without having to put tape on the hole.

A rubber band does the same thing, more or less, and some reedmakers put rubber bands on the soundboxes of their reeds as a matter of course.

Jerry felt hemp was better.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:56 AM   #3
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the dreaded "double F" problem
I've heard this mentioned a few times, but I've never been 100% certain as to what this is referring. Would you mind elaborating slightly as to what the "double f" problem is?

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Old 07-22-2017, 07:41 AM   #4
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I've never been 100% certain as to what this is referring.
That's not surprising, because it's yet another example of pipers using quirky terminology specific to piping.

In ordinary music language "double F" can be described as when the note F# sounds F natural. It can stubbornly sound only as F natural, or it can randomly fluctuate between F# and F natural.

In my experience it usually happens when a reed gets really wet. When a band is tuning up for competition oftentimes everyone's pipes are wetter than usual, and a reed that has never exhibited "double F" can suddenly do so at the worst possible time (in the competition circle).

Blowing harder and softer doesn't seem to help.

I've been told around ten different supposed causes and cures for "double F". Who can say what the real cause is, all I know is that wrapping a hemp bridle or rubber band around the sound box fixes it, in most cases.
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Old 07-22-2017, 11:58 AM   #5
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Default Rubber bands

Mistook the thread title and expected to read about a very flexible pipe and drum corps!
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Old 07-22-2017, 12:18 PM   #6
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Blowing harder and softer doesn't seem to help.


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I usually cure this by lightly holding the lips together for ten seconds or so ,...with the blades between the "point" of the fingerprint whorl of my index finger and thumb ....and directly about where I envision the E to be situated.
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Old 07-22-2017, 05:55 PM   #7
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In ordinary music language "double F" can be described as when the note F# sounds F natural. It can stubbornly sound only as F natural, or it can randomly fluctuate between F# and F natural.
Thank you .. i suspected this is what it was referring to, just wasn't quite certain.

Fortunately, I've rarely run into the issue. Once or twice that I can think of ... I think I probably gave up and changed reeds. Good to know there are some options.

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Old 07-23-2017, 02:01 AM   #8
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The cure for a wonky F on a pipe reed is to send it back to the maker - it's defective.
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The cure for a wonky F on a pipe reed is to send it back to the maker - it's defective.

I had a Pipe Major once who thought the only cure for a "double F" was to throw the reed across the room in a dramatic show of disgust...I rescued it as it had sentimental history but it had served me well for a good while before it's rather sad end.
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:50 AM   #10
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I think placing a band just above the wrapping can help stabilize a reed that is acting inconsistent. It also makes the low notes sharper (and the whole reed sharper and easier).
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