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Old 11-01-2017, 11:30 AM   #1
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Default Old "paper clip trick" for cane drone reeds

Hi folks,

I've been messing around with cane reeds for the first time in quite a while. I like it them a lot, but they do seem to like to close up a fair amount. I pretty much need to give the tongues a flick when I'm starting out each day ... after that, they generally seem to behave, but I'll often need to recalibrate them after flicking, which is annoying.

I'm aware of the various tricks, so no need for help there (hair under the tongues, heating the tongue near the bridle, etc).

I'm also familiar with the "paper clip trick." I've been meaning to try this method out, but I'm curious about the following:
  • Is it intended that the paper clip stays inside the reed at all times, including whilst playing? Or is this supposed to be like wearing your teeth-retainer overnight? (i.e., put the clip in for a while, and leave the reeds alone over night)
  • If you leave the paper clip in place whilst playing (which does seem most sensible to me), should this only be done for a time (a few days, etc)?
  • Does leaving the paper clip in the reed adversely affect the tone of them? I should hope not, as when it comes down to it, tone is the reason to deal with cane at all, nowadays

Thanks all, I'd appreciate any insight on this, as it never seems to be clear.

Cheers,
~Nate

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Old 11-01-2017, 11:45 AM   #2
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Default Re: Old "paper clip trick" for cane drone reeds

I should not be considered an authority because I own all of one cane reed- a Melvin bass reed which I like to use with synthetic tenor reeds because I like the sound of it, "growling," loudly over the hum of the tenors.

I have always left the paperclip in, and in my experience, (using it for about a year now,) that's worked out great.

Surely there are others more experienced who'll give better advice, but there are my two cents, if they're of any value.

Best of luck!
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:53 AM   #3
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I have always left the paperclip in, and in my experience, (using it for about a year now,) that's worked out great.
Much appreciated kind sir! Thank you!

I've got about the same going right now ... MG or Husk (can't remember which) cane bass, going with either Kinnaird or Ezee tenors. I prefer the sound of all cane, but the need to have to flick and recalibrate all of them is just more than I want to deal with for my day-to-day.

And I know -someone- is going to harp on me for saying that's "more than I want to deal with," and give me a lecture about how back in the day, that was all there was ... yada yada.

To those, I'll just say "thanks, I'm well aware. It was all I had too when I first started ... and I didn't much enjoy the tinkering then, either."

Anyways, I digress ... thanks!
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:56 AM   #4
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And I know -someone- is going to harp on me for saying that's "more than I want to deal with,"
That's the ticket- head them off at the pass!
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Old 11-01-2017, 03:20 PM   #5
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I have always left the paper clip in the drone reed full time.

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Old 11-02-2017, 06:30 AM   #6
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I have always left the paper clip in the drone reed full time.

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Very helpful to know, thanks!
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:21 AM   #7
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Greetings, Pppiper, and to All,

As I am ever on the lookout for more information... and
an ever-enlarging grounding in my approach to our Great
Beast... please allow me to pose what to some may seem
a remarkably daft question... but what is the old "paper clip
trick" with cane reeds?

I must now confess... that this is my very first hearing of it...
much the less... ever having seen such...

Having followed this Thread... and having used many a strand
of hair under the reed tongues... and the paper clips being as
thick as they are... what does anyone do with them?

I honestly find myself... at a complete loss..... (?? :)

Please, and with forbearance, all elucidation and guidance
shall be gratefully received,

Regards to All,

Pip01

(Perhaps... an Old Dog... about to learn.. a New (to him) Trick. :)




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Old 11-02-2017, 08:34 AM   #8
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Also called ‘rushing’ the reed I believe.

Don’t know who thot it up or why....except if a cane reed was not performing well, as I understand it, .you straighten the clip out leaving a bend at the end ...insert it for some length into the reed from the open end ...and it someway stays in place from the bend tension against the wall. Then all’s well again...? it does not go under the tongue.

Seems more reliable to just get a dependable new reed.

Corrections welcome.
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:26 AM   #9
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... but what is the old "paper clip trick" with cane reeds?...
I first learned about this from a Shawn Husk video after I damaged a reed by too aggressively flicking the tongue (ouch!). Pip, you can view it at the 3:45 mark in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU6XH-ttAaU.
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:30 AM   #10
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I first learned about this from a Shawn Husk video after I damaged a reed by too aggressively flicking the tongue (ouch!). Pip, you can view it at the 3:45 mark in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU6XH-ttAaU.
Beat me to it! I was just going to post precisely that. Thanks!

And sorry Pip01 ... I probably should have articulated this with my question, for the benefit of those who may not have known.

Cheers to all,
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