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Old 12-07-2018, 06:43 PM   #1
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Default James Bett (& Collection) Revisited

Received in the mail today, an original copy of
A Collection of Pipe Music ByJames Bett, 1899.

A quick read-through was interesting --
most tunes are recognizable, the settings
are often a bit different. A good sample
of pre-WWI standard fare.

There's one tune labeled 'The Green Hills
of Tyrol' that I don't recognize at all.
It's either mislabeled, or a different tune
with the same name. (Anyone?)

https://ceolsean.net/content/Betts/Betts_TOC.html

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An unexpected 'bonus' came with the volume:
13 loose, manuscript pages, of additional tunes,
likely inserted by two previous owners, and of
unknown age.

Signature: John Mc Kenzie: 6 hand-copied pages
(7 tunes)

Signature: Angus Craig: 7 hand-copied pages
(11 tunes)

If of interest, there will be a list (soon),
on the MUSIC Forum, of these 18 tunes.

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To briefly summarize what's known about
this Bett family: we haven't discovered
any 'Dr. James Bett' involved with piping.

James (the author of the 'Collection')
was eldest of the three sons of James
Bett, Senior. All three sons served as
judges, for dancing as well as piping, at
Highland Games in the late 1800's.

Dr. Patrick H. Bett, the 2nd son, was
the respected piping judge mentioned
in several publications of the period.
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Old 12-08-2018, 05:35 AM   #2
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The Green Hills tune is well known under a different name, which currently escapes me.



Jeannie's article on James Bett is out in this month's Piping Times - some really great stuff.


I have a strong suspicion James' book was a major source for the major 20th century collections - looking through the table of contents, the amount of tunes recognisable in Willie Ross, etc, is huge. In those days plagiarism was the order of the day, and pipers often built up huge manuscript collections from whatever sources were available.
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Old 12-08-2018, 10:31 AM   #3
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For the curious it's available at Ceol Sean:

https://ceolsean.net/content/Betts/Betts_TOC.html

Cheers -

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Old 12-08-2018, 01:08 PM   #4
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The Canadian Military uses that "Green Hills" as a General Salute, but we call it Loch Leven Castle.
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Old 12-08-2018, 05:07 PM   #5
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Quote:
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The Canadian Military uses that
"Green Hills" as a General Salute,
but we call it Loch Leven Castle.
JM
Cheers for that...
undoubtably the same tune;
originally a 2/4 -- now a 6/8?

There's lots more expression in
the Loch Leven Castle version
seen online.
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Old 12-09-2018, 07:56 AM   #6
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Old tunes! Very cool Lloyd! I need to check this out.
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Old 12-09-2018, 09:17 AM   #7
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Cheers for that...
undoubtably the same tune;
originally a 2/4 -- now a 6/8?

There's lots more expression in
the Loch Leven Castle version
seen online.
Sorry, you've lost me... General Salute is played as a 2/4. Same as the ceol sean, just more pointing.
JM
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Old 12-09-2018, 09:36 AM   #8
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Cheers for that...
undoubtably the same tune;
originally a 2/4 -- now a 6/8?

There's lots more expression in
the Loch Leven Castle version
seen online.
...did you mean to include a link to the loch leven you mentioned above?
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The Canadian Military uses that "Green Hills" as a General Salute, but we call it Loch Leven Castle.
JM

Loch Leven Castle is also in the 1934 Army Manual Book 1 as a two part 2/4 slow march.
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Old 12-09-2018, 01:45 PM   #10
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...did you mean to include a link to the loch leven you mentioned above?
Below is the version I happened upon ... ;-)

https://musescore.com/nicolas/scores/736986

Other than the (apparently) more expected 2/4,
it's also out there in 4/4

And,in my latest brief search, at least one
additional name: Humors of Tuaimgreine
with several variant spellings.

https://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation..._of_Tuamgraney

One must keep an open mind, it seems...
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