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Old 10-06-2020, 10:43 AM   #1
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Has "standard" pitch topped out at 480? I haven't been paying attention for a few years, happily doing my own thing in isolation, but doing some research recently it seems that people were talking about 480 about ten years ago and are still aiming for 480. I know some grade one pipe bands are playing above that, but have mere mortals settled on 480?
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:58 AM   #2
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Has "standard" pitch topped out at 480? I haven't been paying attention for a few years, happily doing my own thing in isolation, but doing some research recently it seems that people were talking about 480 about ten years ago and are still aiming for 480. I know some grade one pipe bands are playing above that, but have mere mortals settled on 480?
Fair question. Yes ..some top bands have successfully pushed somewhat well beyond 480,..and some wannabe bands are not so successful.
Iíve striated myself at 480 for several years with a new McCallum CEOL chanter....in great part due to a SGRPM friend who does likewise and itís naturally quite good. Shepherd molded reeds.
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Old 10-06-2020, 11:36 AM   #3
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Iíve striated myself at 480 for several years with a new McCallum CEOL chanter....in great part due to a SGRPM friend who does likewise and itís naturally quite good. Shepherd molded reeds.
Sorry, don't know what "SGRPM" stands for.
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Old 10-06-2020, 11:42 AM   #4
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Old 10-06-2020, 11:45 AM   #5
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Has "standard" pitch topped out at 480?




Greetings to All,

Well... let us hope!!... let us pray!!... lest some of
our music... be only heard by... the most skillful...
of... our Canine Brethren... and some... Angels...:)

I must confess... that I gain solace... from that
Old Saw... with now hopefully... New Teeth... that
"What Goes Up... Must Come Down."... :)

I am also put in mind of that classic question:
"What price fashion?"

There is also my curiosity... that at what point... our
ever-increasing... higher... and higher settings... and
notes... may simply begin to border upon... a screech?

Oh, well... "What Goes Around... Comes Around"...
and I must confess... that being quite well pleased
with (at least... to me)... its more fulsome sound and
color... I am still and quite happily stuck... with The Old
440 (which might make a good tune title :) or sometimes...
just a little above... depending upon... the weather... :)

Being stuck in this Time Cave as I am... I find that the
notes... and the tunes... and songs... resound nicely...
off of these old stone walls... :)

Regards to All... Where Ever... You May... Ascend... :)

Pip01




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Correct.

Sorry,...I thought everyone knows that.

At least,...the Pipey thinks so .....

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Old 10-06-2020, 12:43 PM   #7
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My perception is the rate of climb has really slowed down, though I wouldn't say it's time to call time on it. I wonder if it's a generational thing, to do with the chanters available (and reeds) and perceptions of what they can and should do.



There's still a need for bands especially to be at the cutting edge of pitch but I think less enthusiasm to be noticeably ahead of the pack.



On the solo front it has definitely come up; my solo chanter is a standard McC^2 and its definitely not where most soloists are now, though I'm under no pressure to get it up there.
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Old 10-06-2020, 02:15 PM   #8
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Thanks all.
Pip01 Your posts read like found poems. I mean that as a compliment.
I used to have a chanter in A=440, but didn't like it very much because it didn't ring and the heavy bottom hand movements didn't rip. Bb is quite nice. That is what the pitch was when I started out back in the Pleistocene. My Colin Kyo sings at 480. I have Colin Kyo drones too, and the combo is a real joy to play.
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Default Re: Has pitch topped out?

My sense having purchased 2 new chanters in the last year are that most makes are low 480s (480-485). For example the Naill RJM/regular, G1 Gold/Platinum/Elite, McCallum Gandy/Ceol/Campbell, RJH Infinity. List goes on.

There are chanters that have remained relatively unchanged on the market for years now around though in the high 470s. For example the Shepherd "Classic" I own typically is around 475 and the Kyo is around 477ish.

Even though the pitch is higher I suppose the argument could be made that the comfort is higher as well. The Gandy I tried was very comfortable to me, I'm sure the G1s and Infinity are similar.

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Fair question. Yes ..some top bands have successfully pushed somewhat well beyond 480,..and some wannabe bands are not so successful.
Iíve striated myself at 480 for several years with a new McCallum CEOL chanter....in great part due to a SGRPM friend who does likewise and itís naturally quite good. Shepherd molded reeds.
I'm guessing the CEOL is really easy to reed, does it like to balance at 480 with other reeds as well? Have you played the Gandy by chance? Curious how the CEOL feels in hand.

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Greetings to All,

Well... let us hope!!... let us pray!!... lest some of
our music... be only heard by... the most skillful...
of... our Canine Brethren... and some... Angels...

I must confess... that I gain solace... from that
Old Saw... with now hopefully... New Teeth... that
"What Goes Up... Must Come Down."...

I am also put in mind of that classic question:
"What price fashion?"

There is also my curiosity... that at what point... our
ever-increasing... higher... and higher settings... and
notes... may simply begin to border upon... a screech?

Oh, well... "What Goes Around... Comes Around"...
and I must confess... that being quite well pleased
with (at least... to me)... its more fulsome sound and
color... I am still and quite happily stuck... with The Old
440 (which might make a good tune title or sometimes...
just a little above... depending upon... the weather...

Being stuck in this Time Cave as I am... I find that the
notes... and the tunes... and songs... resound nicely...
off of these old stone walls...

Regards to All... Where Ever... You May... Ascend...

Pip01




Listening to pipes that low are a treat. It's odd because when I hear Uillean and smallpipes they have that buzzy drone sound that I really like at lower frequencies. Once it gets into typical GHB territory it because brash to me, it's missing the warmth that (for me) allows the extra buzz and resonation to work without being 'in your ear' so to speak.

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My perception is the rate of climb has really slowed down, though I wouldn't say it's time to call time on it. I wonder if it's a generational thing, to do with the chanters available (and reeds) and perceptions of what they can and should do.

There's still a need for bands especially to be at the cutting edge of pitch but I think less enthusiasm to be noticeably ahead of the pack.

On the solo front it has definitely come up; my solo chanter is a standard McC^2 and its definitely not where most soloists are now, though I'm under no pressure to get it up there.
I agree, I think it has sort of slowed to a crawl around 482ish. I owned a poly and later a wood McC^2 and they were around 474 for me. I have found I can be happy in the higher 470s but I haven't been able to make peace with much above 480.
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Old 10-08-2020, 09:30 AM   #10
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I agree with those indicating the rate of climb has slowed. We have been sticking between 476-480 with McC Mk II and G1 Platinums, depending upon conditions. I mention conditions (e.g., weather), for that has some bearing.

When I was P/M, I would notice that the pitch would creep up. I would purposely flatten things to ratchet it back (as long as we were still balanced). As I indicated, we've been pretty comfortable with the range I mentioned, and I don't see us rising.
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