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Old 03-16-2017, 08:34 PM   #1
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Default You play like a girl!

Can you imagine?

A piper friend's daughter played in grade 2 snare solos. She was/is an excellent player/instructor ( I lost contact with her mom years ago).

She played in a competition where a judge actually said she "played like a girl" I guess she wasn't hitting the drum hard enough for his liking??
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Old 03-16-2017, 11:33 PM   #2
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Oh man, there are any number of "girls" that I wish *I* could play like!! Piping OR drumming. That's all I can say about such a silly remark.
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:09 AM   #3
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All too easily, sadly.
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:09 AM   #4
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What a stupid and sexist remark. There is no room in today's society for this.

The judge in question should be reported to the association.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:37 AM   #5
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Greetings (and Musical/Social Condolences)... to All,

Playing (as I was greatly honored to have been asked) in
The Annual D-Day Memorial Ceremony held on Sword
Beach, in Normandie, France... I was part of a large band
whose numbers were drawn from France... and Belgium...
The Low Countries... The United Kingdom... Argentina...
and Spain...

And in this grand collective... were many fine Ladies... of
ages from their Teens... to the Middle Years... pipers... and
drummers... and several holding Certificates... in their field...
and all... of exemplary enthusiasm... and merit !!

Ergo... and... Res Ipsa_Loquitor...
("Therefore... and ... The Thing Speaks For Itself"...)

... This "judge"... should be... found... singled out... and...
... summarily dismissed... from any future competitions...
..............................(Oh!, please !!).............

This word... "judge"... pre-supposes... a lack... of "prejudice"...
which simply means... judging... before... the knowable facts!!

Perhaps... he might be relegated... to judging some agricultural
competitions... say... heads of cabbage... or some such... :)

And in that wise... good folk... may... and un-concernedly... and
without fear... of any quite... un-toward... gender bias... "carry on"...
with the music... :)

I rest my case....

Regards (and Condolences For This Unseemly Bollix)... to All,


My friends all know,
With what a brave carouse...

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Old 03-18-2017, 09:49 AM   #6
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Default Re: You play like a girl!

An unfortunate comment. I have been guilty of unfortunate comments, though my intent was pure. It would be interesting though if someone with the correct information were to review the scoring histories and determine whether gender bias was informing the judge's scoring. If it were, then excusing the judge from future opportunities would certainly be appropriate.

We give our judges little credit and much grief. It takes a carpenter to build a barn, but any butt-head can tear one down. We need to support Pipers, Drummers and the administration that helps us to compete. We are not so many in the world that there is any reason to tear each other down, rather we should build each other up.

That doesn't mean we can't fix what's broken.
The older I get, the more certain I am, that everything should be made from blackwood, beeswax, reeds, shellac and bits of string...
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:14 AM   #7
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Not meant as a defence..But I'm going swag that the judge and competitor were perhaps 'friendly'...and the judge was driving a friendly banter point he'd made prior in a private conversation,instructional setting or on a score sheet about how to improve the performance.

As a credible grade 2 drummer it would seem likely they knew each other to an extent over time.

However, I have known pipe and drum students who persist on playing somewhat as if not wanting to mess up freshly wet nail polish....i.e. ornaments
at ca 1/3 the required speed, or arms/legs as stiff as in a cast.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:01 PM   #8
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Greetings to All,

With my apologies to zarb and el gaitero... I'm
sorry... I just can't buy it...

I wouldn't give tuppence were the drummer his
favorite niece!!

Those in positions of authority... and especially
standing in judgement... of any contestant... and
their performance abilities... needs be watchful
of the words... than come out of their mouths.

And... quite irrespective of any possibly attendant
circumstances... such a remark reeks... of a great
abundance of thoughtless arrogance... and simple
bad manners.

There are... so many ways... for those in their superior
positions... to help lead... those who are still learning
(as are we all)... to attain better technical abilities...
and greater artistic expression.

A kind word (but clearly given)... ever brings the best
result... what ever the field of study... ('Twas ever thus.)

At this point... please allow me to withdraw a previous
thought... offered in my Post # 5... as to this judge's
possible future employment...

I don't consider him qualified... to judge even cabbages.
(It is believed... in some circles... that even cabbages...
have feelings.)

And yes... "everybody makes mistakes"... but not this kind.

This position is too important... and he should be replaced.

Regards to All,


My friends all know,
With what a brave carouse...

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Old 03-21-2017, 09:15 PM   #9
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Pip, I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments. Learning as a young child only to be told "girls don't play bagpipes", I thought we had come a long way from those days and it's important to ensure that those sentiments do not creep back into our language.

As for dry nail polish... well, its a matter of priorities!
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Old 03-22-2017, 11:12 AM   #10
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In thinking of these insights, I've been reflecting that people have such varied ways of moving biomechanically. I've taught sign language for many years as well as step dancing and have noticed that there are commonalities in how people move based on gender. These observations are not 100% reliable by any means. Women TEND to be more fluid in movements while men TEND to be more forceful but that so often is not the case that I would never say anyone "moves like a man" or "moves like a woman". Even if there were a stronger correlation, what would it matter as long as the results are what was intended? As long as the music is good, who cares about the movement required to achieve the end?
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