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Old 04-07-2017, 08:49 PM   #11
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OK, for the record, here's the picture Michael and Bri have of his battery lead:

http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/De...DegerWires.JPG
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Old 04-07-2017, 09:45 PM   #12
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Your best bet is to find an electronics technician and they'll know exactly what to do. Or find someone who almost qualifies, but is handy with soldering, and show them this page.

I apologize for the links. For the sake of haste, I just moved some pictures to a site for quick viewing.

You should have a regular 9v battery connector in the bottom of the Deger:
http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/Deger/9v.JPG

The white stuff in the "bell" of your Deger where the leads come through is silicone, just like mine. It's there to keep the inside of the Deger clean, dry, hold the wires. Here's mine:
http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/De...er_9v_lead.jpg

They go into the main body or shaft of the Deger. Let's skip to the top part. A bundle of wires come out of the main shaft into the top part:
http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/De..._wires_top.jpg

Here, they connect to a PCB:
http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/Deger/Deger_pcb.jpg
http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/De...ire_bundle.jpg

Whoever works on this should be very careful taking the top section apart. I thought I was being careful, and still managed to break the wire to the mouthpiece at the solder point:
http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/De...oke_a_wire.jpg

So I promptly set up to resolder - piece of cake:
http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/De..._soldering.jpg

There's also a piece I'll call the "screw set" that is only held by tension. Be careful not to lose it, and have fun getting it back in place. It's not really that bad. But you'll need it in place to hold the faceplate on.
http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/De..._screw_set.jpg

Chances are, nobody will have to open the top section at all. In the middle, or shaft, on the back, are the power buttons. These are the long metal strip and small contact that, when touched at the same time, turn the Deger on and off:
http://www.family-net.net/~tbusby/De...r_power_sw.jpg

I removed the screw from the long strip to try and get a picture, but it was glued as well. I really didn't want to mess with regluing anything tonight. But the battery leads from the bottom bell, and the power leads from the top, will be attached to these two buttons. I'd bet a dozen donuts that one of them has come loose, or simply the 9v lead in the bell needs replaced.

Hope this helps. I'm not the best at describing things. Perhaps you have a nice electronics professor at Alma who is willing to help?

Oh, and how about this for the joke:

A bagpiper and yodeler walk into a bar. (Everyone dashes out of the place!)
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Old 04-08-2017, 03:29 PM   #13
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Buzz,
Since there is a flat piece right by the rubber stuff, how did you manage to get through that? I mean, without doing something to the bottom I wouldn't even know that the bottom wires are attached to the power buttons. Just curious. Since that hole is so small I can't even feel it, so it's hard for me to imagine you seeing how the wires attach to the top. And since the chanter part is so thin, how do you see the wires also?
I'm not sure my Dad can help with this, even though he did make computers quite a long time ago. I'll see about taking it to an electronic store in MT. Pleasant near Alma next week to see what they can do.
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Old 04-08-2017, 04:09 PM   #14
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Hi Michael,
Don't know if this helps but; I have a set and had to Solder a new battery clip
(from Radio Shack )on my Degers.
I stripped all (4) four leads and then soldered them together,red to red, black to black, and then taped them for added safety, and they work just fine.
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Old 04-08-2017, 05:07 PM   #15
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Hi Douglas,
I thought there were only 2 leads inside the pipes. Or are you talking about the two aditional leads that are at the end of the clip? I have a clip that I bought but it still has yet to be soldered on. Didn't you see the picture that Bri and I put up?
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Old 04-08-2017, 05:37 PM   #16
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Oh, by the way Douglas, Bri tells me that one of the wires is blue. Or it could have been her camera...
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I looked a little closer and there's actually a crack at the end of both wires. I'd assume that when they solder the clip on that they'll have to cut a tiny amount off the existing wire.
However, with several fresh batteries I get no sound whatsoever, even if I touch the thumb pad and the lower thumb hole at the same time. If I plug in a MIDI device which I know works with my Technopipe, I don't get any signal either. I plug the headphones into the headphone jack and there is a very slight clicking sound, but when I plug headphones into the Midi jack, there is a very loud clicking or popping sound as soon as I plug it in, so something must be wrong with most likely the circuits, if not the internal wiring. I have tried connecting each of the poles of the battery to the clip, and there is no click sound when I plug the headphones into the Midi jack when only one of the poles is connected. When I connect the two poles together, that's only when it produces the click when I plug it in, so they must have soldered the clip correctly. Either that, or the insulating wire is somehow preventing an electric connection from happening. I know absolutely nothing about circuits. Also, when I try touching the lower thumb hole and have the mouthpiece in, still nothing happens.
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Old 04-08-2017, 06:57 PM   #18
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Just to clarify - when I said I tried the pipes when the clip was on there, this was after I went to a store about a week ago to have them solder the clip onto the wires, without realizing there was tape that wasn't taped very well to the short lead wires. I was thinking that, so I looked closer and that's where I found the tape and removed it, so now it's just the short leads. I assume that when the clip is re-soldered onto the untaped leads it will go smoothly, but I may be mistaken. Since back then both touching the mouthpiece versus the strip, together with the lower thumb hole, didn't make any difference, I assume it has to be the lead wire. However, if they solder the clip directly onto the lead wires (without the tape getting in the way) and it still doesn't go, I'll have them take it apart as Buzz suggested and I'll give them your instructions. Even with the tape, there was still a loud pop when I plug the headphone jack into the MIDI jack. So I guess the they soldered it on correctly, or no? (shrug)
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Old 04-09-2017, 12:15 PM   #19
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Would I be right in quesstimating 1st gen Deger tech can be measured in dog years....😜
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I've no idea, but after looking at Buzz's pictures I really hope mine never needs that kind of investigation.

Looks like the reason they invented the label saying "No user-serviceable parts inside"
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