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Old 07-16-2019, 04:33 AM   #1
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Old 07-16-2019, 05:11 AM   #2
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Yes that's ridiculous.

I just added the comment that the Anglicised forms like "Pibrock" etc are much closer than that video.

The -chd ending would be tricky
1) if you didn't know that the "d" is pronounced like "k" and
2) if you're not a speaker of Scots, German, Arabic, Hebrew, etc that have similar "ch" sounds.

I wonder what that computer would make of Llanfairpwllgwyngyll.
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Old 07-20-2019, 07:19 AM   #3
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Yes that's ridiculous.

I just added the comment that the Anglicised forms like "Pibrock" etc are much closer than that video.

1) if you didn't know that the "d" is pronounced like "k"

Anglicised is closer but still not right.

In the word pìobaireachd the d is not pronounced like a k in my experience, rather the k of Pibrock is pale imitation of the whole chd sound that 'generally' people outside of Scotland/Ireland struggle to pronounce.
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:55 AM   #4
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Hmm... And it had been such a good weekend!! :)
(More Guinness, please!! :)
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Old 07-20-2019, 08:06 PM   #5
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In the word pìobaireachd the d is not pronounced like a k in my experience
Sorry my bad, in most dialects voiced stops are devoiced in word-medial and word-final position

D > T
G > K
B > P

while devoiced stops are pre-aspirated

T > hT
K > hK
P > hP

at least that's what all the books say.
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Old 07-21-2019, 07:15 AM   #6
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Anglicised is closer but still not right.

In the word pìobaireachd the d is not pronounced like a k in my experience, rather the k of Pibrock is pale imitation of the whole chd sound that 'generally' people outside of Scotland/Ireland struggle to pronounce.
I've been trying to correctly pronounce piobaireachd (and canntaireachd) for over 30 years and still cannot do so nor can I correctly pronounce the Irish versions of piobaireacht (and cantaireacht). The slender "r" is too subtle for this monolingual anglophone and the -achd a further challenge. Anyhow, to my anglophone ears, -achd sounds like "CH" as in "loch" followed by a "K" sound. In a Boston accent it's near to: pee-bird-uch-k; more simply it's: pee-bruck with a flapped (not trilled) "r."
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:13 AM   #7
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From early on, I was able to pronounce the word piobaireachd just like the pipers who win all the gold medals. I'm glad I never had to struggle with that.
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Old 07-21-2019, 03:39 PM   #8
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Anglicised is closer but still not right.

In the word pìobaireachd the d is not pronounced like a k in my experience, rather the k of Pibrock is pale imitation of the whole chd sound that 'generally' people outside of Scotland/Ireland struggle to pronounce.

How do you pronounce words like seachd, naidheachd, luchd, coimhearsnachd, beachd?
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:03 AM   #9
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How do you pronounce words like seachd, naidheachd, luchd, coimhearsnachd, beachd?
This guy has good Gaelic pronunciation: https://forvo.com/user/Muirismac/
This is his pronunciation of piobaireachd: https://forvo.com/word/p%C3%ACobaireachd/

You can search for pronunciations on Forvo.com for other words such as "seachd", pronounced shach-k (ch as in loch).
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Old 07-23-2019, 09:01 AM   #10
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It would take quite a bit of work to explain how to approximate the words Piobaireachd, seachd, sealgaireachd, canntaireachd, coimhersneachd etc. etc. as, while they all have approximately the same sounding end, the rest of the word would have to be explained thoroughly also and even then it would only be an approximation as there are sounds in Gaelic that just can't be put into english.

The only way to learn how to pronounce these words is to actually listen to Gaelic speakers and mimic them the way a child would learn. Even then you will find that folks from different areas will pronounce the words slightly differently. My family are mainly from Islay, Perthshire and Northern Scotland and the Gaelic from these areas is quite different.

Aim for 'close enough for jazz' and unless you are trying to kid on you come from the Gaidhealtachd you will be fine.
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