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Old 07-27-2019, 11:19 PM   #11
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Default Re: Low G won't sharpen

I want to thank everyone for their suggestions and questions. Following I have tried to answer all questions and have a question of my own.

Both chanter and reed I am using are G1. The chanter is plastic.

I have plenty of experience and consider myself pretty competent in tuning both with various electronic instruments and by ear. I have 60 years of piping experience.

I am a pretty good consistent blower and don't ease off on lower notes.

My tuner is set at "equal temperament setting".

The note sounds flat against the drones and tunes flat on the tuner.

My question is on one of the suggestions I have never heard of before .... When you say put tape across the bell .... do you mean across the hole at the bottom of the chanter? Moving the tape slowly until the "Low G" sharpens? Will this also sharpen all notes?
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Old 07-28-2019, 12:17 AM   #12
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My tuner is set at "equal temperament setting".
Set it at "just temperament", not equal! Just temperament is what bagpipes tune to. Equal is for piano players, guitarists and most of the Western world not playing traditional instruments. Your low G, measured on an equal temperament setting, should be -31 to -25 depending on which flavor or Pythagorean Just Intonation you prefer. On the just temperament setting, the needle should be near center. To a modern, classically trained ear, it may seem flat, but see if there is a dissonance of the note against the drones.
Now, once having done that, if the low G seems flat, putting tape across the bell of the chanter (big bottom hole at the end) can sharpen low G. For a test, put the end of the chanter on your knee while playing low G and see what the note does on the tuner. It should go sharp. It will do similarly with tape across the bell. In that position, play low A and see what it does to to that note when the chanter is on your knee. Low A might get flatter, which may cause a whole new set of problems. Tape on the low G tone holes (not the bell/exit/bottom hole) can often sharpen low A, too.
Also, if you have your tuner on the equal temperament setting, your C# and F# should appear -14 & -16 cents flat respectively. B should be +4 cents and E should be +2. D is 2-4 flat by matters of taste or opinion.
Set your tuner to Just Temperament and aim for the needle to be bang on center, or adjust accordingly from there.
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Old 07-28-2019, 05:48 AM   #13
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My tuner is set at "equal temperament setting".
To reinforce what Twitchy said, which is completely accurate and sufficient, and doesnít need validation, least of all from me: This is the opposite of how to tune a bagpipe chanter. Do not carve your chanter as that is most definitely not your issue.
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:43 AM   #14
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My question is on one of the suggestions I have never heard of before .... When you say put tape across the bell .... do you mean across the hole at the bottom of the chanter? Moving the tape slowly until the "Low G" sharpens? Will this also sharpen all notes?
I havenít noticed it making any difference to other notes on my chanter, but YMMV.

Like Twitchy said above, play LG and slowly slide the bell along your knee closing off some of it to see what it does for you.
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:44 AM   #15
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Out of curiosity, I looked up the Braw Tuner app and it seems to have an Equal and Just temperament setting.
I know it sounds silly to ask, but a quick check of the setting might save you a chanter.
BRAW also has a GHB setting...Q to the OP...what result if you set to GHB?
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:47 PM   #16
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Hereís how I taped the bottom of my chanter to bring up the LG when it was flat.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:58 PM   #17
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Bumping post to see if there was ever a resolution to this problem.
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Old 08-28-2019, 07:35 AM   #18
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Bumping post to see if there was ever a resolution to this problem.
Not sure whether anyone suggested this to you or not. The tone holes on the sides of the chanter are the ones which produce the low G. If you tape them, like any other tone hole, you will flatten the low G. If you carve the hole, like any other, probably evenly on each tone hole, you will sharpen low G. Personally I'd ask a pipe maker to do this for me, as I don't have the skills.
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Old 09-03-2019, 07:28 AM   #19
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Ditto on the fact that you should be using "JUST" tuning for a bagpipe chanter, definitely not equal. Just intonation calls for the G to be significantly flatter than equal, and so I believe that explains your predicament.

That said, leaving the tuner aside .. how does the note sound when your drones and chanter are tuned, warmed, and balanced?

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Old 09-10-2019, 10:05 PM   #20
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To reinforce what Twitchy said, which is completely accurate and sufficient, and doesnít need validation, least of all from me: This is the opposite of how to tune a bagpipe chanter. Do not carve your chanter as that is most definitely not your issue.
+1. Agree.
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