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Old 09-10-2017, 05:40 PM   #31
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I diligently collect military history and uniform books and I do not see British army pipers in contemporary illustrations wearing anything but the standard infantry red coat until the 1840s and 1850s.
It varied from regiment to regiment.

It's a fascinating study (well for somebody as nerdy as me, anyhow).

Some regiments dressed their pipers in reversed colours like the other musicians. Some were dressed in what amounted to livery, much as they would do if in the employ of a civilian laird or aristocrat. Some as you say were dressed more or less like the other soldiers.

The modern Highland regimental piper's doublet, dark green, was first adopted by the Cameron Highlanders. Green was their facing colour, and seems they were following the custom for dressing of musicians.

A piper in reversed colours



About beards, I read somewhere that the PM of the Camerons was "required by tradition" to wear one.

Essen wasn't the only Canadian PM with a beard- the camera doesn't lie.



And not just PMs

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Old 09-11-2017, 03:46 PM   #32
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This one?

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Yep. That's the one. It must have been recorded not long before amalgamation with the Seaforths.
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Old 09-11-2017, 07:31 PM   #33
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Essen wasn't the only Canadian PM with a beard- the camera doesn't lie.



And not just PMs

never said he was - but he WAS the first piper of the Canadian Seaforths to be bearded.

the 2nd picture is Cpl Ned Campbell of the 79th, as mentioned above.
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Old 09-11-2017, 07:36 PM   #34
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But beware of the illustrations! (The colour plates.) My overview of the quality of the illustrations in the various Osprey publications contains the following about the book in question:

Queen Victoria's Highlanders (illustrated by Gerry Embleton) : These illustrations are somewhat crude and aren't clear and contain various inaccuracies. Like Chappell he doesn't understand how diced hose-tops are made and worn. Also he sometimes shows dicing on headdress incorrectly. He consistently shows spats being far too tall.

Taking one plate (F) in detail, the cuffs on the BW officer's doublet are completely wrong, with the positions of the piping and lace reversed, and the sporran is wrong regarding both the cantle and tassels. The piper's sporran is wrong and he's shown wearing a Royal Stewart plaid with a Black Watch kilt! The hardware on the waistbelt and crossbelt are both incorrect. On plate G the Seaforth Highlanders' sporran is wrong, the tassels having brass cones (!) and the cantle missing its badge.

(Here is my full overview of the Osprey kilt-related colour plates)
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-errors-79267/
the 78th/2nd Seaforth pipers as well as all three battalions of the Seaforth Highlanders of Canada wore/still wear brass cones on their hair sporrans, and 'lack of supply' has sent pipers onto parade while missing bits of their kit!
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:59 PM   #35
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the 78th/2nd Seaforth pipers...
Yes I realize the 1st Battalion/2nd Battalion silver/gilt thing, regarding piper's sporrans.

But the cones would match the cantle. In Queen Victoria's Highlanders the illustrator plays fast and loose with the cone colours in general.

-Plate F shows a Black Watch sporran with gold cones. (They should be black leather.)

-Plate G shows a Seaforth Highlander private (non-piper) whose cantle is edged in silver, but the cones are gold. (Also the cantle is missing its badge.)

-Plate H shows a HLI Pipe Major (listed as Sergeant) whose sporran has a gold cantle but the cones are silver.

These are only three examples of numerous slapdash and inaccurate details.
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never said he was
Yes and likewise I didn't say that you said that- it's one of those funny things that happens with posting, that things one types can be construed in unintended ways.
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Did the pipe band of the Camerons at any point ever wear the Cameron of Erracht?
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Yes and likewise I didn't say that you said that- it's one of those funny things that happens with posting, that things one types can be construed in unintended ways.
I know, right?

This medium is 'terse' as a default setting, but when you add my Staff communications training I always manage to appear rude....
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Did the pipe band of the Camerons at any point ever wear the Cameron of Erracht?
They did originally. If I recall correctly, it wasn't until George VI gave it to them that the pipers started wearing the Royal Stewart tartan.
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