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Old 06-13-2005, 08:04 PM   #1
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Default 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

I have been drumming for 6 years now and have always played introductory rolls as 13 stroke rolls which start and finish on the right.

I have just been in a new band for about a year and now my drum sergeant wants me to do a 12 stroke roll starting on the right and finishing on the left.I feel quite uncomfortable doing this.

I would like to know what do other bands do for their 3 pace rolls and your opinion to what you think is best?
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Old 06-13-2005, 08:12 PM   #2
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Default Re: 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

i believe its 25 (r to r) or 26 (r to l)...just off the top of my head
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Old 06-13-2005, 09:38 PM   #3
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Default Re: 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

I have heard of the Right to left (I thought it was 24) thing before, but I can't remember where I heard about it.

I think the most common would be the Right to right. But there may be a few bands that do it Right to left?

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Old 06-13-2005, 10:04 PM   #4
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Default Re: 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

One of our friends from Shotts say for sure, but I believe Jim Kilpatrick advocates the R to L roll you describe above as a means of improving the evenness of the roll.

Theory is that drumlines have a tendency to aim for the 2nd beat of the 3 pace rolls a bit if it falls on a right hand (ie in a R to R roll). This results in an undesired stress on beat two.

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Old 06-14-2005, 12:34 AM   #5
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Default Re: 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

When playing right to left a la Jim K is it not to add an EXTRA pulse to "fill out" the roll a bit more?

Maybe Graham B can confirm/deny this?

Here's a sheet from my site on how Jim explains the development of the intro roll:

http://www.scottniven.co.uk/drumming...introrolls.gif
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:08 PM   #6
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Default Re: 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

I beleive that Jim K still plays his R to R....on this sheet posted above shows R to R. I think going R to L will either add an extra pulse or not fill up just right.....depending if you play it with a 24 or 26 stroke roll.....it should be an even 25
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:33 PM   #7
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Default Re: 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

Its right to right, ending with a tap, not a buzz/roll/double. If you think of it in terms of pulsing, as i do, group it in 3's or 6's...
123456123456 1
rlrlrlrlrlrl r

or

123123123123 1
rlrlrlrlrlrl r

Each r or l obviously represents a double beat or "buzz."
I suggest NOT adding any extra srtokes to "fill" our the sound.

Thats how we do it in our grade II corps.
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:48 PM   #8
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Default Re: 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

Jim plays Right to Left, and he plays one extra buzz, not one less. The idea is for a slightly fuller sounding roll. The whole Shotts corps doesn't do this. Jim and my brother are the only 2.
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Old 06-14-2005, 01:28 PM   #9
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Default Re: 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

Try playing four triplet phrases.rlr,lrl,rlr,lrl tap. It's the way i was taught. Once it's sped up a little you lose the tendency to zup zup zup like hand to hand drag buzzes and it's like silk, or maybe that's just meeeeeeeee
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Old 06-14-2005, 02:27 PM   #10
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Default Re: 3 pace rolls...how many strokes?

Two sets of subdivided 1/16 note triplets with an ending tap. 25 strokes if you are saying each pulse is a double stroke with the exception of the ending tap. Just my humble two cents. Haven't you guys heard that aggravating little pulse in the middle of the three paced roll where the 1/16 notes seperate? It's enough to stand the hair up on the back of my neck. But I wouldn't expect any of the contributors in this forum to have that problem. Right?
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