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Old 11-20-2018, 04:53 PM   #1
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Default An ABW Pipe Chanter Question





Greetings to All,

Your pardon if this proves too much of an odd duck... silly...
or even downright dumb (Duh!)... question... but someone
asked me this... and other than a standard... physics and
wood molecules shifting about answer... I had no easy reply.

From my very first with our Great Beast... the Old Gentlemen
in my first band were crystal clear (!!) ... "Do Not ...oil a pipe
chanter!!" (It was right up there with... "Don't stick your nose in
a light socket... either!!" :)

So other than the oil shifting the wood... and thereby changing
the pitch... is there any other fundamental reason for the "no oil?"

And... into this soup... in The Long Ago... in roarin' pub crawls...
and with the sticky Guinness flying about... (And what else?... God
Only Knew!! :) ... I saw more than one of the Old Gentlemen with
a sticky chanter... trundle off to the loo... to wash it off and out...
with warm water... dry it... and come back to play the further sets!!
(And with apparently... no... ill effects.)

And of course... the new synthie chanters... and with which you
can damned near drive nails... quite obviates all of this... :)

(Not a bad Age, eh? Velcro on the spats... synthie drone reeds...
and pipe bags that have never been even near an animal... much
the less... having been part of one... )

Any thoughts... answers... or observations... greatly appreciated.

Regards to All,

Pip01






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Old 11-20-2018, 06:07 PM   #2
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Symphonic woodwind musicians oil their instruments, from what I understand. If doing so would destroy a chanter, I'd expect it to destroy a far more valuable oboe.

I know of session pipers who oil their chanters to temporarily raise the pitch, but it doesn't last. To many of them, oiling isn't abnormal and is expected.

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Old 11-20-2018, 06:35 PM   #3
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Probably because "Daddy did it that way" is my guess. People use all manor of harsh things to clean goo off and actually bore oil works great but I won't say who uses it but l'll get the popcorn out anyway . . . .
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Old 11-20-2018, 06:38 PM   #4
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Symphonic woodwind musicians oil their instruments, from what I understand. If doing so would destroy a chanter, I'd expect it to destroy a far more valuable oboe.

I know of session pipers who oil their chanters to temporarily raise the pitch, but it doesn't last. To many of them, oiling isn't abnormal and is expected.

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One considerable difference between symphonic ( or concert band or quartet, or any non- bagpipe ) woodwind instruments is that breath moisture ( and/or saliva) is more directly in contact with the interior bores of the instrument, Which is also why they tend to swab out their instruments after playing.
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:02 PM   #5
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Outside fine, inside will drop and dull pitch. Not sure of recovery, so I don't.
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:39 AM   #6
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Oiling makes a noticeable difference to drone sound. One would expect it to make a difference to chanter sound as well, though for how long?
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Old 11-21-2018, 04:57 PM   #7
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Oiling makes a noticeable difference to drone sound. One would expect it to make a difference to chanter sound as well, though for how long?


I always figure the oil from the hands kept the wood I shape


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Old 11-22-2018, 10:44 PM   #8
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I would imagine that a symphonic woodwind would be designed around the idea that it will be regularly oiled, highland pipe chanters are not.
Many years ago I found out the hard way why you shouldn't oil a pipe chanter. It turned it into a lifeless chanter for about a month.

Think about it this way, when you have a nice dry chanter free from us adding any more water and oil, it will be more vibrant because the sound waves move more freely through it. When it is soaked with oil or water the sound waves don't move through it as fast causing to to be more dull and lifeless sounding.

The walls on a highland chanter are so thin that I don't really see a reason to oil them. When the wood moves on them it tends to do so much more freely than our thicker drones sections.
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Old 11-23-2018, 06:47 AM   #9
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FWIW....who knew?

A silver soled ‘03 Naill chanter I’d set aside for 5-6 years in favor of another ‘suddenly’ ,when I deciced to resurrect it, chirped or squealed from HA/HG down to low hand notes last year.

I applied a goodly swab of bore oil to the throat ( only) and let it rest for about 3 weeks in a closed up brown paper bag. Then played it in and it progressively improved.

18 months from the onset it gorgeously sounds better than ever IMO tuned at its bench spec mid 470’s.
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FWIW....who knew?

A silver soled ‘03 Naill chanter I’d set aside for 5-6 years in favor of another ‘suddenly’ ,when I deciced to resurrect it, chirped or squealed from HA/HG down to low hand notes last year.

I applied a goodly swab of bore oil to the throat ( only) and let it rest for about 3 weeks in a closed up brown paper bag. Then played it in and it progressively improved.

18 months from the onset it gorgeously sounds better than ever IMO tuned at its bench spec mid 470’s.
Had it taken on the infamous Naill warp/bow as have other wood Naills I have owned?
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