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Old 01-06-2019, 08:21 AM   #1
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Default Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes

There are many more scales than the familiar Major, minor, Mixolydian, and so forth.

One is the scale called Hijaz Makam, Ahavah Rabboh, or Freygish.

It has a Major 3rd but a minor 2nd. The upper half of the scale is an ordinary minor scale with minor 6th and 7th.

In Western Art Music terminology it's called the Harmonic minor scale. This of course is a misnomer because the scale has a Major 3rd.

In any case it can be heard in Israeli, Arabic, and Bulgarian music (and I'm sure many other musics).

Here's a quick video I did showing this scale on the Highland pipes and two tunes which use this scale, the folk dances Zemeratik and Hava Nagila.

(As you can see I'm in the bathroom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeqIktkn7Ls
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Old 01-06-2019, 08:51 AM   #2
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Sorry I should have explained what the Hijaz Makam/Freygish/Ahava Rabboh scale on the Highland chanter consists of:

Low G, Low A, B flat, C sharp, D, E, F natural, High G, High A.

The notes in boldface aren't normal Highland pipe notes.

I hear pipers all the time playing Hava Nagila using C natural and ordinary B when the scale in fact has the B flattened and the chanter's ordinary C (C sharp). I think they're hearing that there's a flattened note somewhere, and they happen to put it in the wrong place.
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Old 01-06-2019, 11:19 AM   #3
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Only two native to the GHB I can think of - Gordon Duncan's The Belly Dancer, and Fraser Fifield's Glen Kabul. Both very effective tunes.
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Very informative, thank you!
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Default Re: Hijaz scale, Israeli tunes

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In Western Art Music terminology it's called the Harmonic minor scale. This of course is a misnomer because the scale has a Major 3rd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeqIktkn7Ls



In Western Art Music terminology Harmonic Minor ( A, B, Cnat, D, E Fnat G# A) as opposed to Natural Minor evolved to allow a V7-I resolution in an otherwise n minor tune. It solved a harmonic problem. it also created a melodic problem in that it had a (very foreign-sounding) augmented 2nd between the 6th and 7th steps- not so bad going up, but "alien" coming down. So…… then we had the Melodic Minor Scale to solve that problem- (A B Cnat D, E, F#, G# A) going up and the Natural minor scale coming down.


At least that's what was drilled into us Music Majors in Theory and Harmony classes a lifetime ago.
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Old 01-06-2019, 04:46 PM   #6
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Just to avoid any confusion - the hijaz scale is the same as starting on the fifth degree of the harmonic minor. Whether that makes them the same thing is a question I leave to the floor...
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Yes I took music theory at university too... what I was alluding to is that people schooled in Western music, when confronted with Hijaz mode, invariably call it Harmonic minor. Same scale, different purpose...
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Yes I took music theory at university too... what I was alluding to is that people schooled in Western music, when confronted with Hijaz mode, invariably call it Harmonic minor. Same scale, different purpose...
…And different starting point, making it the harmonic minor equivalent of Mixolydian mode
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