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Old 04-12-2019, 09:52 PM   #1
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Default LBPS Tutor Useful For Mouth-blown SSPs?

Hi, all. I'm a fairly new piper on the GHB, and have just purchased a set of Walsh A-2000 mouth-blown SSPs to begin expanding my pipe-playing repertoire. I have been looking for a decent tutor for the SSPs, and I keep encountering ringing endorsements for the LBPS tutor. I notice, however, that the LBPS site very specifically says it is oriented exclusively to the bellows-blown SSPs. Am I to understand that the LBPS tutor would be useless in learning to play my mouth-blown Walsh SSPs? And, if this is so, can anyone recommend a tutor that can help wretched souls such as myself who own and love their mouth-blown instruments?
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Old 04-13-2019, 01:00 AM   #2
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Default Re: LBPS Tutor Useful For Mouth-blown SSPs?

Yes, it will be useful, though obviously there will be sections that are not applicable to you.



The warning is more that it focuses on technique that is useful to bellows pipers, and is not GHB-centric in its approach.
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Old 04-13-2019, 12:46 PM   #3
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Default Re: LBPS Tutor Useful For Mouth-blown SSPs?

Other than bellows technique, the main difference would be the lack of focus on ornamentation- gracenotes, doublings, etc., and an introduction to other types of tunes than those you'd find in a typical GHB tutor. If your only object is to move your GHB repertoire onto a quieter instrument, then it's probably not the way to go.
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Old 04-14-2019, 10:00 PM   #4
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Default Re: LBPS Tutor Useful For Mouth-blown SSPs?

really doesn't make a lot of difference how you put air into the bag as to the final sound. So if you want to learn lowland pipe technique and style get the book..it come down to the ability of the instruments as to if all embelishments are possible, and of course the player's ability...lowland pipes and smallpipes have very similar mechanics..
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Old 04-15-2019, 05:21 AM   #5
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...lowland pipes and smallpipes have very similar mechanics..
Not clear on how you are differentiating between "lowland pipes" and "smallpipes". Would you elaborate?


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Old 04-15-2019, 06:25 PM   #6
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Not clear on how you are differentiating between "lowland pipes" and "smallpipes". Would you elaborate?


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Both work as parallel bored nine note scale instruments
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Old 04-16-2019, 05:34 AM   #7
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Both work as parallel bored nine note scale instruments
Still not clear on what are using to differentiate between the two...


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Both work as parallel bored nine note scale instruments
I must disagree here.
"Lowland pipes" also called Border Pipes, have conical-bored chanters, and thus have a timbre much clioser to that of the Highland pipes and are generally capable of cross-fingered accidentals such as C-nat, F-nat, etc.
The ones I'm most familiar with are also capable of "pinching" a High B (and often a high C#) so not limited to the "usual 9 suspects" as are the parallel- bored Smallpipe chanters.

My Jonathan Swayne Lowland Pipes in A can produce a chromatic scale from Low A to High A in addition to a high B ( And sometimes C#). Low g# can be played by half-holing the low-g hole.
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Old 04-19-2019, 05:30 PM   #9
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The original poster asked if the tutor was useful for smallpipes, my longwinded answer with explanation is yes....just because something can play extra notes does not mean it can't play more restricted methods too...I expect all my pipes to play an octave and a fifth with every note in between......
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The original poster asked if the tutor was useful for smallpipes, my longwinded answer with explanation is yes....just because something can play extra notes does not mean it can't play more restricted methods too...I expect all my pipes to play an octave and a fifth with every note in between......

It was the "parallel-bored" part that I took exception to.

To summarize, yes, The LBPS tutor would be useful for smallpipes whether mouth-blown or bellows-blown.
If mouth- blown, skip over the sections on using bellows;
Tunes in the book will have no ornamentation ( smallpipers are used to this)
You will find tunes not usually found in Highland piping collections along with many familia GHB tunes.
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