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Old 01-25-2019, 09:17 AM   #1
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Default Squealing/Double-Toning Low A

Hi, All: I have a perplexing problem. My Shepherd MK3 band chanter has developed an annoying squeal/double-tone on the low A, but only when coming to it from a high A (occasionally, but rarely, from the high G). I cannot duplicate the problem on my practice chanter, indicating that I am likely not suddenly dragging a top-hand finger off the hole, and I also cannot duplicate it when coming from any other note on the pipe chanter. It also does not occur when going from the high hand to low G. It does seem to resolve very occasionally when I back off on my squeezing/breathing, but then the other notes and drone consistency suffer.

Any thoughts?

I have a gig with the band tomorrow morning, and I'd like to put this to rest beforehand (I know, dream on!), so any ideas I can chew on between now and then would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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Old 01-25-2019, 09:30 AM   #2
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Default Re: Squealing/Double-Toning Low A

I'm no professor, but that sounds like a dying reed to me. I'd recommend trying a different reed.

To get a little more life out of your current reed you might try drying it out in the fridge over night or putting a mandrill inside to open it up a bit...

Best of luck!
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:15 AM   #3
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BaggyMacpipes is correct. The squealing on low A is usually an indication that the reed has become too weak. You can try opening it up with a reed poker, but I would say that reed needs to be replaced.
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:46 AM   #4
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Well, heck-fire. It's a brand new reed (G1 Platinum), issued to me just a few days ago...

Guess I need to get with my PM...

Thanks much for the replies!
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:54 AM   #5
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It could be that your thumb isn’t connecting with the hole squarely and so it is partially closed allowing it to act as an octave “key” which then causes the note to jump the octave, or at least squeal unstablely until it drops back down. This is the premise behind the tiny thumb hole on gaita chanters which allow a second octave.

I have had this happen to me with Sinclair chanters, where the high A hole is a tad lower than most other chanters. The problem arose out of the blue a week before the Worlds at the Bridge of Allan (sp?) games. I scratched myself and worked the next week to consciously aim lower for that hole, with success.

I believe this may be your problem since you state it doesn’t happen from other notes. You state it’s a new reed, perhaps it is a little harder than you’re used to and so maybe there’s a change in your grip or at least a change in your fingering focus as you have to concentrate more on blowing?
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Old 01-25-2019, 12:00 PM   #6
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Default Re: Squealing/Double-Toning Low A

I agree with Patrick's hypothesis of thumb slippage*, especially if your fingers are hard and dry from being cold. One other cause could be that the reed is too dry, but that should right itself with a bit of playing or giving the reed some moisture.




* I slightly open the thumb hole to play a High B when needed
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:20 PM   #7
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Ah, I think I'm beginning to understand. When I listen closely to the double-tone, it sounds just south of high A: more like the high G. I have planted my thumb over the hole solidly when the low A is squealing, and dragged that sucker every which way over the hole with no improvement. But the pitch was nagging at me. So I began fiddling with the high G and F holes, and noticed that the squealing was improving somewhat. I then began rotating the chanter in the stock and as I did so, the squealing improved even more.

I'm thinking it's not a thumb problem, but more my index and middle finger not making contact because of the chanter not placed properly. At any rate, I think I know what I have to work on.

Thanks again for giving me some ideas to chew on.

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Old 01-25-2019, 03:19 PM   #8
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As the others have intimated, even a tiny bit of 'offness' in the fingers can do weird things with certain notes. I have to watch myself when I go from one chanter to the other (holes are spaced just differently enough).
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:13 AM   #9
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:27 PM   #10
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How much tape is on the High G?
to much tape and it can make a noise going to Low A
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