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Old 05-02-2014, 02:04 PM   #21
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Default Re: Newish wooden Sinclair chanter, opinions.

I took pitch readings off of the worlds web-cast last year; nearly all of the bands were at 484. Some were a bit lower and there was one band at 486. There was one band pitching in at 479 and you could hear a distinct difference in the clarity of the tone, etc... I'm sure it wasn't 100% pitch related but it was interesting to note how by comparison 479 did indeed sound "dull" vs. the 484 pitch.

Personally I don't think we'll see B proper. I mean there must be a cut off somewhere right?
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Old 05-03-2014, 08:10 AM   #22
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Which tuner are you using to get your readings above 480? My Korg only goes up to 480. Ralph Drew
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Old 05-03-2014, 09:55 AM   #23
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Your Korg only goes up to A at 480. Just ramp it down to 453 and it will read Bb. To convert Bb to A reference, just multiply by 1.0595 (it's not as arbitrary as it seems, trust me). 453 * 1.0595 = 479.9. So A490 would show up Bb on a Korg at 490 / 1.0595 = 462.5. HBT series tuners go higher than 480, but I'm not sure how much higher. The phone apps probably go arbitrarily high.
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Old 05-03-2014, 05:29 PM   #24
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Or you could admit that the note B starts at 480. Let it say B, and start calibrating the A ref around 427 - 430.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:37 PM   #25
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I like my band's current tuning at B428.5, I don't really care for us to get any higher. As such, I'll keep calling it A481 since that's the note written on the staff.
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Old 05-04-2014, 11:40 AM   #26
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I like my band's current tuning at B428.5, I don't really care for us to get any higher. As such, I'll keep calling it A481 since that's the note written on the staff.
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Old 05-24-2014, 09:03 AM   #27
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Just so you know, the "B" pipe chanters I make are played with "B" pipes.

These chanters are actually pitched at 475 (actually flatter than pipe bands to suit the bombards) and they have a low F instead of a low G.

They are played with shorter B drones.

The higher pitched standard pipe band chanter I make is pitched at 480.

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Old 05-25-2014, 12:28 AM   #28
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Hello Xavier. I know nothing about Breton music, apart from having heard it in France, so please be patient with my questions.

Why does your B chanter need B pipes if they are pitched at 475? The Highland Pipes easily tune to that frequency, so why do you use what you call "B pipes"? Is one of the drones tuned to E?

Also, why do you call them B pipes when they are not in the pitch of B, but a very sharp B flat? Is it just that the chanter has a different scale?

Has the Bombard always tuned to 475, or do you have pitch creep just we in the Scottish piping scene have?

Thanks on advance.

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Old 05-25-2014, 05:49 AM   #29
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The B pipes have shorter drones, so they're sharper, because you tune the drones to the note B on the chanter, not low A. It is not a reference to the chromatic pitch B. Hence, you need a different chanter, a B chanter, with the holes in slightly different positions to tune to the new pitch of the drones (I think) and it only has one tone hole giving the low F# instead of low G, as mentioned above.

Xavier, is this the scale?

low F#, low A, B, C#, D, E, F#, G, high A

Thanks for the clarification, I wondered if in addition to the differences above, if the B pipes were also sharper up to chromatic B, and you've clarified they are not. Thanks!

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Old 05-25-2014, 08:34 AM   #30
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Patrick is absolutely right concerning the drones.

The scale is actually this one on a B chanter :

low F, low A, B, C, D, E, F, G, high A

Some samples to let you hear the difference :

B chanter : https://soundcloud.com/xavier-boderi...-boderiou-do-b

Boderiou Bagad chanter (flatter pitched, I'm actually playing the bombard here as well so please be indulgent ) : https://soundcloud.com/xavier-boderi...deriou-bagad-1


Boderiou Solo chanter : https://soundcloud.com/xavier-boderi...eriou-bagpipes

I hope this makes things clearer.

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