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Old 03-24-2013, 12:42 AM   #1
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Default Robertsons with black mounts

A friend has Robertsons with black mounts from his days as a boy Soldier in the British Army. They could be wood, or they could be some artificial substance - it is hard to tell.

He says that Robertsons were the usual Army pipes in his teens.

Does anyone have info on this kind of Robertson?
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:16 AM   #2
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Default Re: Robertsons with black mounts

Ringo Bowen's Bagpipe Place museum says that Robertson used both white and black casein for his artificial mounts. I've got a white casein soled Robertson practice chanter, and it has that chalky appearance to it. I've never seen black casein, but I would think that you would be able to tell the difference between wood and black casein. I have no idea when Robertson used casein, or when they stopped using it, but he did use a black artificial material for mounts, evidently.

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Old 03-25-2013, 02:12 AM   #3
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Thanks, that helps a lot.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:42 AM   #4
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Good example here:



Source: Dubai Pipe Band website
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:37 PM   #5
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Detail of projecting mounts for the J. Robertson pipes shown in my post just above:



Note that the beads under or above the PJ - that is normally part of the PJ or a separate piece made in the same material - are most likely wooden, and a single piece with the rest of the joint here.
Only the larger part of the PJ is made from artificial material : bakelite, casein, catalin ? I really don't know...

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Old 03-27-2013, 02:02 PM   #6
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I thought the mounts on my Robertsons were wood, until one of them was broken (the cat tipped over a big urn that fell down on the pipes)

They weren't wood, but you certainly couldn't tell from looking at them. But then my pipes are Ebony and very dark.



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Old 03-27-2013, 02:34 PM   #7
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In my last post above, please replace 'PJ' by 'PM' (for Projecting Mount).
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Old 03-27-2013, 04:12 PM   #8
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Detail of projecting mounts for the J. Robertson pipes shown in my post just above:



Note that the beads under or above the PJ - that is normally part of the PJ or a separate piece made in the same material - are most likely wooden, and a single piece with the rest of the joint here.
Only the larger part of the PJ is made from artificial material : bakelite, casein, catalin ? I really don't know...

PJ mounts made of two separate pieces occur on earlier pipes, mostly with ivory. I have a set made around 1860/70 with ivory projecting discs completed with a bone ring on their underside, thus reducing the cost of the expensive material. All the other fittings are made of bone.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:40 PM   #9
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My 40's Brazilwood Robertson

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Old 09-02-2013, 01:59 AM   #10
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Mine are like the Brazilwood depicted above. I bought them from a friend in Cape Town. The bushes are painted and one was broken, so I had it replaced with plastic. Is there any chance that the original bushes and ring caps are made of ivory? How can one tell?
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