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Old 04-15-2019, 10:30 PM   #1
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Hey teachers, I posted a question over in the Teachers' Lounge about beginning strathspeys. I wasn't sure where to put my question - especially since the Teachers' Lounge hasn't had any new topics in the last 30 days It's a ghost town over there...
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:52 PM   #2
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Iím not a teacher, but my first Strathspey was Loudonís Bonnie Woods and Braes. Very nice sounding tune and pretty easy with some practice.


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Old 04-16-2019, 01:19 AM   #3
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Struggling to remember as it was so long ago, but I'm sure I learnt Miss Ada Crawford first.

Nice strath, it's short and relatively simple. It'll introduce a couple of new strathspey concepts.

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Hey teachers, I posted a question over in the Teachers' Lounge about beginning strathspeys. I wasn't sure where to put my question - especially since the Teachers' Lounge hasn't had any new topics in the last 30 days It's a ghost town over there...
A lot of good ones here:

https://www.rspba.org/html/prescribe...thspey_2PT.php

But I'd simplify many of the arrangements for a new player.
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A lot of good ones here:

https://www.rspba.org/html/prescribe...thspey_2PT.php

But I'd simplify many of the arrangements for a new player.
I think there are better beginner ones out there. Those are uabhasach difficult tunes just cut down to 2 parts. And I'm not sure of the value of learning and 'easy' setting, only to have to re-learn the tune again once technical ability allows?
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And I'm not sure of the value of learning and 'easy' setting, only to have to re-learn the tune again once technical ability allows?
Easier to put in more embellishments once they're properly learned than play a tune poorly from the start.

In my opinion, embellishments are way too emphasized at the expense of other skills such as rhythmic accuracy, accurate tuning and steady blowing. Most pipers I hear think they're good at these and they're dreadful. (and I used to be that guy, too)

But they worry about embellishments and expression. And these are not the issue.

If one took the Maids of the Black Glen from the list and substituted G grace notes for the doublings, one would have a lovely tune that would win prizes for a solo beginner grade as well as a band. I know from experience. The doublings are not the essence of the tune, nor producing music. But they're dead easy to put back in.
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Greetings to Kevin, and to All.

Not sure exactly... where... it may fall upon the
playing difficulty (or ease :) spectrum... but...
"Lady Madeline Sinclair" is a damned fine tune!!... :)

Regards to All,

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John -- I don't just mean embellishments, the tunes I recognise from the list are not beginner tunes, not just because of the embellishments necessary but also the technical proficiency of scale navigation and subtleties of timing.

Different stokes, but you and I do agree in a sense, that a stepped approach would be good. But I'd rather use simple sraths first (scale navigation and embellishments) and building up the technicality gradually tune by tune.

I learnt what would be regarded as a long time ago now. Maybe the methodology has changed in the intervening years?

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John -- I don't just mean embellishments, the tunes I recognise from the list are not beginner tunes, not just because of the embellishments necessary but also the technical proficiency of scale navigation and subtleties of timing.

Different stokes, but you and I do agree in a sense, that a stepped approach would be good. But I'd rather use simple sraths first (scale navigation and embellishments) and building up the technicality gradually tune by tune.

I learnt what would be regarded as a long time ago now. Maybe the methodology has changed in the intervening years?

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Dunno about methodology. And I agree that many of the tunes on the page are more advanced 4-parters that have been cut in half. That is dumb.

But, simplified, I would not be hesitant to introduce a player that's ready for strathspey, any of these tunes:

Archie Duncan, Because he was a Bonny Lad, Campbeltown Kiltie Ball, Castle MacGillivray, Lady Carmichael's Strathspey, Lady MacKenzie of Fairburn, Loudens Bonnie Woods and Braes, McPhedran's Strathspey, Molly Connell, Orange and Blue, The Inverness Rant, The Maids of the Black Glen, The Keel Row, The Market Place of Inverness
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We just learned 'Keel Row' as part of a simple two-parters MSR medley..


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I agree, so why not play tunes at the skill level of the player?

Play a tune with great expression that has embellishments you can play well. Some pipers may be at the single gracenote level, some may be at the taorluath level (or above).. To simplify tunes adapting to the player seems like a shortcut.. If the piper can't play the embellishments needed for the tune, can they express it well? Will removing difficult embellishments help them express the tune?

Otherwise, I can play a properly expressed Highland Wedding in solo Gr1 with only a few sprinklings of G-Gracenotes, yes?

As Scott Williams says at the end of his tutor "And now, at last, the tune you've probably been waiting for, one that is know around the world" and then he shows you Scotland the Brave. You have gone through 11 chapters of learning, technique exercises, simple tunes, theory, history, and skill building tunes to get to that level.

Just my opinion, I could be completely wrong (my wife usually lets me know)

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