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Old 05-03-2019, 11:27 PM   #1
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Default Bagpipe Repairs CITES

I need some work done on my pipes. Iím in Australia and the supplier
David Atherton is in the USA. Do I need a cites permit to send them there
and/or get them back?

If I just declare the package as ferrules or something will they get confiscated?

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Old 05-06-2019, 10:35 AM   #2
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I need some work done on my pipes. Iím in Australia and the supplier
David Atherton is in the USA. Do I need a cites permit to send them there
and/or get them back?

If I just declare the package as ferrules or something will they get confiscated?

Thanks
Do they have ivory fittings? Or are you concerned with CITES because they're made of blackwood? The answers to each are very different.

In general, you should not have any trouble shipping blackwood pipes for repair. Ivory is an entirely different set of problems.
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Old 05-06-2019, 10:54 AM   #3
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What did Atherton say?
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Old 05-06-2019, 11:00 AM   #4
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The answers to each are very different.

In general, you should not have any trouble shipping blackwood pipes for repair. Ivory is an entirely different set of problems.
How are CITES enforced, what makes them so different? I don't have much knowledge of it
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:55 PM   #5
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Greetings, Repip,

I had the happy occasion to receive a very old
set of ivory-mounted pipes... that came from
Australia.

The sender was required to obtain a CITIES
certificate from the proper Australian authority
before he could legally send the set out of
Australia... and to me... inside the U.S.

I would think that you shall need one from your
home country... and a second one from the U.S.
that will allow your set to get into the U.S., and
then to Atherton's shop... and then for him to be
able to send it back to you when completed.

It's a bumble... it's a bollix... it's a bear... but now
it is all... and completely... un-avoidable.

Check with your local governmental authority, and
with Dave... and this should be able to be safely
done ("safely" meaning... not... confiscated :).

But... one word of caution... make bloody sure that
the outside of the package, and the reasons for the
certificate... state plainly... that the contents are pipe
parts... being sent for repair... and return... to you...
the owner.

Trusting that all shall go well for you,

With regards,

Pip01



A Quick Post Script:

What ever the materials... obtain the CITIES certificates.

That way... you are covered... and you and your pipes
are not at the mercy of... perhaps some unhappy agents...
who did not get enough of their morning coffee... :)

All the Best!!






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Old 05-06-2019, 08:31 PM   #6
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You won't need a permit if the pieces are being sent for repair. Clearly state that on the package as well as the waybill and customs declaration. That said, check with your exporting jurisdiction and ask Dave how he handles it normally. I just sent ABW from Canada to the UK for repair and Martin at Naill was very helpful.

ABW is Appendix II so permits are only required from the exporting jurisdiction, whereas ivory is Appendix I which means both export/import are required.

Good luck!
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Old 05-09-2019, 05:57 PM   #7
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How are CITES enforced, what makes them so different? I don't have much knowledge of it
There are different levels of restriction, depending on the conservation status of the species in question. African Blackwood (along with cocobolo, many ebony species, etc) is on "Appendix II," which means that an export permit is required by a commercial seller, but there are no restrictions on the movement of a personally-owned instrument across borders as long as the movement is not part of a commercial transaction (sale). For example, I would NOT need a permit to travel with my blackwood instrument to compete, but I WOULD need an export permit if I sold it to someone (and needed to ship it) outside my home country.

Elephant ivory is listed on "Appendix I," which means that ANY ivory object that is crossing an international border is subject to stringent documentation and declaration requirements, regardless of the purpose of the movement. In that case, if I took an ivory-mounted bagpipe on an international trip, for any reason, I'd need to have all the appropriate paperwork, declare it at the border, use designated ports of entry, submit to inspection, etc.
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:35 AM   #8
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Atherton would know, I'm pretty sure.

I'm in the USA and sent a couple ABW parts to Dunbar in Canada for repair. Rick said to clearly mark "damaged parts for repair" on the package.

On the other hand when I ordered ABW replacement parts from Dunbar he charged me for the CITES permit that he had to obtain.
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https://www.cites.org/eng/resources/faq.php may be useful
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