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Old 03-14-2019, 01:47 AM   #1
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Default Composer of an old Piobaireachd

The Pipers Warning to His Master was written by the Macdonald clan piper, but did he have a known name? You would think if he was as accomplished as he supposedly was someone would have kept a name.
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:43 AM   #2
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Hoping Keith Sanger will chime in.


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Old 03-14-2019, 12:34 PM   #3
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Such a short question but a long complicated answer. I have previously covered the background to the tune here
https://www.academia.edu/37436269/The_Pipers_Warning

To paraphrase the event would from contemporary sources have occurred in 1615 when Colla Ciotach was under siege in Dunnyveg Castle on Islay. Colls party escaped under cover of darkness in three boats one of which contained the piper. The 'warning' would have been because the piper played when his boat ran into the ships from the other side thereby giving Coll and the other two boats a warning to head in a different direction.

That being the case then the 'Pipers Warning' was because he played, rather than what he played. That in turn raises two possibilities, that the tune the piper played was re-named the 'pipers warning', or that another piper composed a tune in memory of the event. Arguably it was the latter since under the circumstances where most of the participants were subsequently executed it was unlikely that the actual tune would have been noted.

Regarding it being a MacDonald piper that to is open to question. What is known is that of those escaping from Dunnyveg Castle who remained un-captured were a group of four MacDonald rebels, led by Coll and nine or ten men of other clans, including a Malcolm MacRorie MacLeod, who had scattered individually.

So the piper for a number of reasons was probably not actually a MacDonald. In any case most of the references I have to pipers at that period only tend to give a first name and not 'clan'.

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Old 03-16-2019, 06:53 PM   #4
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Sounds like a lot of unknowns, but interesting none the less.
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Old 03-16-2019, 07:20 PM   #5
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:05 AM   #6
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In conclusion is it safe to say The Pipers Warning To His Master was written in the 1640’s as a commemorative tune to the event of 1615? What ever the unknown piper played could have been anything from a scale to a known tune of the time.
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:19 AM   #7
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In conclusion is it safe to say The Pipers Warning To His Master was written in the 1640’s as a commemorative tune to the event of 1615? What ever the unknown piper played could have been anything from a scale to a known tune of the time.
Rightly or wrongly, Seamus MacNeil that it was a 'mutilation' of a known tune, the original name of the tune now forgotten, but the altered version has survived. I think that it was with reference more to the tunes structure.
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