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Old 12-16-2019, 12:01 PM   #1
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I've just started learning this wonderful instrument and decided to record the process for posterity and will be uploading videos once or twice a month to my Youtube channel. First episode was just published moments ago

https://youtu.be/2D6MnejYCvA
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Old 12-18-2019, 01:43 PM   #2
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Looks like you've got it down so far. I look forward to following your progress. Will use the inspiration to get my own penny chanter going. Thanks!
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Old 12-18-2019, 04:10 PM   #3
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Old 12-18-2019, 08:11 PM   #4
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Peter,

I'm looking forward to following along with your journey! I hope to tackle the uilleann pipes one day myself. Alas, it's just not in the cards at the moment working full-time as a student (fiscally and timewise).

Out of curiosity, do you have any background on whistle? I know that many pipers will use whistle as a prepatory step to learning the uillean pipes. Apologies if it's a point that you address in the video -- will have to sit down and check it out in the next day or so.

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Old 12-20-2019, 07:50 AM   #5
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Out of curiosity, do you have any background on whistle? I know that many pipers will use whistle as a prepatory step to learning the uillean pipes.
I don't, although I am also aware of what you mention. I'd like to pick up whistles some day, but that's probably an endeavor best saved for a good year or so from now.

Thanks for following!
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Old 12-21-2019, 06:33 AM   #6
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Brave to put yourself out there so early in the process!

Peter, as someone who has been playing both Highland pipes and uilleann pipes for over 40 years, and has started dozens of Highland pipers on their first steps into the world of uilleann piping, I have these observations:

1) About the different upper-hand posture, you're bang-on. Kudos to you for learning the uilleann "grip".

2) Beware of sloppy fingering. I have seen many times over the years Highland pipers who have very clean fingering get sloppy on the uilleann pipes...it's almost like a "it's just a folk instrument" attitude. However good uilleann pipers finger just as cleanly as good Highland pipers.

For example, on the Highland pipes when we go from D to F#
x xxx ooox
x xoo xxxo
we are very careful not to get an E note in between, but make the D to F# transition cleanly by lifting the upper-hand middle and ring fingers together rather than in sequence.

However you did that very thing going from G to B on your uilleann chanter
x xxx ooxx
x xoo xxxx
by putting an A in between, caused by lifting the ring finger first rather than at the same time as the middle finger.

3) I know that on Highland pipes the upper-hand index finger gracenote (the High G gracenote) is the standard "working finger" and is nearly always used on the beat. You can read through entire Highland pipe tunes that have a High G gracenote on every beat.

There are many uilleann pipers who never use that finger for cutting, and for now, if I was you, I would become one of them, if nothing else to wean yourself away from relying on that finger.

You would never cut E with that finger, in traditional uilleann piping, nor any other lower-hand note.

You will find that habits you can get away with in the low octave will come back to bite you when you start playing in the 2nd octave.

So, get in the habit of cutting all the lower-hand notes, Bottom D, E, F#, and G with the upper-hand ring finger, an A gracenote. You will thank me later, when you're playing more in the 2nd octave.

And get in the habit of cutting A with the B finger.

For learning purposes, use the upper-hand index finger cut ONLY for B.

You will find that in the 2nd octave especially the cut needs to be close to the note, not an octave away like on the Highland pipes!

In fact, both on the uilleann chanter an on some Low Whistles and Irish flutes the upper-hand ring-finger cut isn't optimal on E in the 2nd octave, and you'll need to learn to cut E with the lower-hand index finger (a G cut).

4) You need to get in the habit of cutting Bottom D with the upper-hand ring finger (an A cut) every time you play Bottom D. It's standard in uilleann piping, the reason is to obtain the Hard Bottom D.

5) Fantastic that you got a David Daye set! His pipes always work.
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Old 12-23-2019, 01:46 PM   #7
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Brave to put yourself out there so early in the process!
Thanks!

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I have these observations:

1) About the different upper-hand posture, you're bang-on. Kudos to you for learning the uilleann "grip".
Still have to remind myself every time I pick them up

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2) Beware of sloppy fingering.
Yeah, I know. I have a whole new slew of crossing noises to learn how to eliminate. After 5 years of highland piping, I still have some there, too.

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3) I know that on Highland pipes the upper-hand index finger gracenote (the High G gracenote) is the standard "working finger" and is nearly always used on the beat. You can read through entire Highland pipe tunes that have a High G gracenote on every beat.
Yes, my instructor has been on me about this as well. I'm working at it - definitely some "unlearn what you have learned" going on

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4) You need to get in the habit of cutting Bottom D with the upper-hand ring finger (an A cut) every time you play Bottom D. It's standard in uilleann piping, the reason is to obtain the Hard Bottom D.
Gotcha!

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5) Fantastic that you got a David Daye set! His pipes always work.
Yes, I've been very happy with their stability/reliability so far.

Thanks a ton for your feedback and advice, I really appreciate the time it took to write all that out!
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