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Old 12-11-2016, 08:05 PM   #11
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Default Re: Piobaireachd tunes set in B minor?

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The exceptions are always fascinating.
Much agreed!

I'm definitely among those who are fascinated by the sound of a Bminor scale along with the 'A' drones. Wonderful sound (provided the chanter is well-tuned, if B-D-F aren't well-set, then B minor tunes definitely lose the impact they would have otherwise).

All very interesting thoughts and information being circled around in this discussion, thanks to all for your input.

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Old 12-12-2016, 06:48 AM   #12
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There are people ( a minority) who experience minor as brighter - perhaps because it 'matches' their default setting, and they feel a sense of relief in that, hence happier and brighter in the way THEY hear it.
The grad student who taught my theory for non-majors class said that he found minor keys happier. Nor sure if happy was his exact word -- it was a long time ago.

I heard an interesting story on the radio a few years ago. Some researchers studied the keys used in popular music, and they found that minor keys are becoming more and more popular.

http://www.npr.org/2012/09/04/160548...onal-evolution
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:09 AM   #13
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Some researchers studied the keys used in popular music, and they found that minor keys are becoming more and more popular.

http://www.npr.org/2012/09/04/160548...onal-evolution
.....as people become more and more depressed about the state of the world??????? I look forward to listening to the link you give us....
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Old 12-21-2016, 10:07 PM   #14
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The grad student who taught my theory for non-majors class said that he found minor keys happier. Nor sure if happy was his exact word -- it was a long time ago.

I heard an interesting story on the radio a few years ago. Some researchers studied the keys used in popular music, and they found that minor keys are becoming more and more popular.

http://www.npr.org/2012/09/04/160548...onal-evolution
I sat in on a music theory class for musicians and composers without formal music education. An American teacher from West Texas taught. The class was almost all Arab, and a few Jews. One evening when discussing minor keys, the teacher said as established fact that minor tunes were melancholic, mournful, mysterious, and even maudlin. Many students chimed in the opposite, noting many Arab and Jewish tunes of joy, festival tunes, nursery tunes etc. in minor keys. Thus did culture intervene in basic theory. The teacher was unconvinced until a few student leapt to their feet singing examples.

The poor teacher was an inscrutable occidental with brooding byzantine manner. He went back to his major world and left us minor fellows to ourselves. It's a mixed mode world!

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Old 12-24-2016, 10:43 AM   #15
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It's a mixed mode world!
Thankfully!
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Old 12-29-2016, 05:03 AM   #16
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One Key will blend better with the drones and another will not.
For sure that used to be true.

Listen to older recordings and hear the sharpish D, the way piobaireachd tunes that frequently feature the note D have a strident calling effect (I don't know how else to say it).

And how on older recordings the B and Low G beat against the drones (on many old chanters these notes were at or close to their ET locations).

But nowadays most pipers have every note of the chanter tuned Just, and every note blends with the drones perfectly. Yes each note is a different interval, but the beatless blending is the same for all.

Much is lost, and much is gained, with the new tuning approach.

Whether it's piobaireachd, or strathspeys, or reels, I tend to like the archaic-sounding tunes in G Lydian (or at least suggest a G Lydian tonality).
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