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Old 10-12-2019, 06:14 AM   #1
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Default Kilts and proper kilts, Oy vey ist meir....

Kilts, love them or hate them they are part of the parcel that comes with the Pipes and Drums.

That said, I suspect most of us have a woolen kilt that has lots and lots of pleats which we are general careful to maintain. But in a few climates the quality built wool kilt is a bear to wear, even though it presents the proper image. I also have a Sport Kilt in the same tartan, which I do not wear for most functions as the pleating and drape doesn't really present well, though for running a St. Patrick's day 5K it does fine. Which leads me to the following question; aside from either having a lightweight wool or polyester kilt made to order, what have you found that irks you about the wide pleated ersatz kilts used by some?

Mid weight wool and a 8 to 9 month Gulf Coast August Climate is so much fun....
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Old 10-14-2019, 11:39 AM   #2
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Greetings to piper Q, and to All,

Well... might as well get tore in to this one...

To use (or to mis-use) the old comic line...
"Why don't lions and tigers eat clowns?
That's because... they taste funny." :)

And as for these now new entrants... in
to our fields of kit and gear... be they of
what ever materials... and cuts they may...
be they canvas... or poly viscose... or of
any other some-such... and of what ever
depth of pleat they may or may not have...
it's not that they aren't... really kilts... (like
it or not... they are really kilts)... it's just
that to me... as with the lions and tigers...
... they just look... funny... :)

I am suddenly re-minded of the 1964 film
"Zulu"... where in blinding heat... and they're
waiting for the enemy's charge... some poor
lad on the front line... and waiting to die...
un-buttons his top tunic button... and his
Colour Sergeant... quickly snaps him back...
and into proper dress.... with something along
the lines of... "Here lad! Button that up! Where
th' Devil do you think you are?!"

Now... I'm all for everyone being able to be
as comfortable as they wish to be... and it is
certain... that all may do as they please... but
I have found that... our old and the regular-cut
standard kilts... be they wool... or some poly
blend...are cooler in the summer... and warmer
in the winter... than almost any regular pair of
pants or jeans... that may be donned.

And... Drum Roll... they don't look... funny...

Wishing for All... Happy and Comfortable piping...
and drumming... and marching!! :)

Regards to piper Q, and to All,

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Old 10-14-2019, 04:23 PM   #3
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Default Re: Kilts and proper kilts, Oy vey ist meir....

I agree with Pip, I find a traditional wool kilt to be mostly comfortable in all weather conditions (some conditions just aren't comfortable no matter what you're wearing). I haven't tried any of the other types of kilts though.

What does bother me in summer is a black wool Glengarry!! It's not only hot, it provides no shade whatsoever (...yet somehow in the winter it isn't quite warm enough, and offers no protection from glare or wind). It's possibly the most useless hat ever invented.

Do any bands in Australia or New Zealand (or anywhere) wear slouch hats with their kilts?
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:13 PM   #4
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I despise that we are expected to wear what is essentially a costume to play an instrument..I do it because it's a well paying gig most of the time and the public expects it, however, it seems that we as a community as just about the only ones that do so.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:36 AM   #5
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Quote:
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I despise that we are expected to wear what is essentially a costume to play an instrument.




Greetings, magsevenband, and to All,


Please do allow me to... respectfully... disagree.


There have been... Times Past... when someone who was
attending one of my engagements... and sometimes... it
was even the Client... who made very complimentary remark
about my Dress... and used that word... "costume."


And at such times... courtesy always being very important...
it then fell to me... to help bring them to the understanding...
that it isn't a costume... but it is... and rather... a uniform...


And in an almost too easy an example... a monk's clothes...
such as the tunic... and the scapula... are these considered
to be... but part... of a costume? ... Somehow... I think not...


And so... and likewise... ours is a Dress with great historical
standing... and as such... and perhaps... should be given the
verbal courtesy due to such... and quite irrespective of what
ever band... group... or mob... in which one happens to play...
and even (and especially)... if playing on... one's own...


But recall... Kit and Gear does not a piper or a drummer make.


To now whistle up... an Old Adage:

"Clothes make the man!"
And the rejoinder to that is...
"Aye! But a goose is a goose, Sir, dress it how you will."


And so... our scrutiny to our Dress... and our Music... is... or
should be... ever... at the fore...


Regards to magsevenband... and to All,


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Old 10-15-2019, 12:02 PM   #6
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A wool kilt in a 4th of July parade in a St Louis summer is a march in to Hell with melted asphalt stuck to the bottom of your ghilly brogues. A St Louis columnist suggested every year that business summer wear should be Bermuda shorts, which seems a pretty good suggestion. Failing that, lightweight felt poodle skirts would be a big improvement over the kilt.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:11 PM   #7
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Default Re: Kilts and proper kilts, Oy vey ist meir....

The uniform really does complete the look though I agree, there are times it is difficult to wear. Happily I handle heat very well so am not bothered by all the wool during a long summer parade. Others in our band think otherwise...

There are times, though rare, when I think a more casual look might be appropriate. For instance, I don't kilt up to play my pipes for special music at church and a couple of times I have told I don't need to kilt up to play for a funeral of someone close to me. I also suggested to our group that we might consider wearing our band t-shirts with jeans to play at a farmers' market. That suggestion received limited support Oh, well...

For the most part, it does seem expected, as is playing AG and is part of the package when we play.
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:27 AM   #8
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Do any bands in Australia or New Zealand (or anywhere) wear slouch hats with their kilts?
I know of a few, the upturned brim works great if you play pipes on the left shoulder. Looks daggy as anything though!
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:21 AM   #9
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Default Re: Kilts and proper kilts, Oy vey ist meir....

This discussion comes up from time to time.

Pipers (and drummers) arenít the only musicians who are ďexpectedĒ to wear a certain thing when performing.

Most symphony orchestras wear tuxedos in performance, which, much like the kilt, is essentially a costume used as a uniform. We are no longer in the days where men regularly wear tuxedos, so why do symphony orchestras hold on to such archaic clothes? Because itís expected.

A tux isnít the most comfortable thing to wear, especially when playing some instruments. The jackets can be a bit binding making it difficult for string instruments to use their bows fully, and yet the tradition persists.

Some key differences though, are: 1) even at the highest levels (of bands at least), ours is still a hobby. AFAIK, there are no G1 bands whoís players are all full time pipers or drummers who donít have other jobs. In the orchestra world, that is their job. And 2) the uniform is mostly the same from orchestra to orchestra so musicians will buy their own stuff and get it tailored to them so if they change orchestras in their career, they already have what they need, while in the pipe band world, we have people who jump from band to band every season and every band wears something different, making buying and tailoring your own uniform a very costly venture.
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:38 AM   #10
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....wondering what alt costumes a square dance or octoberfest schuplatler or Cossack dance troupe might wear and still fit in their dedicated culture...
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