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Old 06-18-2016, 03:08 AM   #1
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Default Italian anthem - can it be done?

Has anyone heard this played on the pipes? It seems like two anthems in one and covers quite a range of notes.

I have a trip planned later in the summer and it would be nice to have this up my sleeve.

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Old 06-20-2016, 01:04 PM   #2
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Default Re: Italian anthem - can it be done?

Hi

yes it works - my previous band do some trips to Italy and this was part of our repertoire...
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:06 PM   #3
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Thanks Codart.
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Old 06-22-2016, 04:31 AM   #4
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I have the sheet music (the real sheet music, not a bagpipe version) in front of me.

You're talking Inno di Mameli, right?

I have it in a book I picked up a few years ago, National Anthems From Around The World, which has proved to be very useful, when people request these things.

Anyhow the tune is completely GHB-friendly until bar 22 where there's a note which would be Low G#, you could easily substitute B (on the syllable "vit" in the phrase "Dov'e la vito".

In bar 26 there's a single Low A#.

Bars 28 and 30 have what would be Low F#'s, you can just play those an octave up, the ordinary piper's "F" (F#).

Bar 33, the penultimate bar, has three High B's in a row, for which I would play an octave low, the pipe's ordinary B.

All in all this tune is far more pipe-friendly that most anthems! 99% on the notes fit right on the scale, you just need the few substitutions mentioned.

BTW the book has the tune in the key of G Major, to fit the pipes you just move every note up a 5th, into the key of D Major:
D > Low A
E > B
F# > C#
G > D
A > E
B > F#
C > High G
d > High A

BTW in the USA the song is Public Domain due to being published in 1847.
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Old 06-22-2016, 06:36 PM   #5
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Default Re: Italian anthem - can it be done?

Many thanks for such a detailed response, Pancelticpiper. Yes that's the same tune.

Half way through it seems to shoot off in a different direction, almost a different tune. I might try to get away with playing just the first section.

May I ask, what does your book give as the Sicily anthem? There appears to be two: suoni la tromba and matriterra.

Thanks.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:48 PM   #6
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The trick with pipe adaptations is whether or not the tune is very widely sung by the population. If so, the notes are anticipated, expected even. Even attractively fudged notes can sound off to the informed ear. To the musically minded, a note played an octave up or down is just as funky as a wrong note--no mattet musically correct. Run it by an Italian first. Maybe.

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Old 06-23-2016, 12:35 AM   #7
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The trick with pipe adaptations is whether or not the tune is very widely sung by the population. If so, the notes are anticipated, expected even. Even attractively fudged notes can sound off to the informed ear. To the musically minded, a note played an octave up or down is just as funky as a wrong note--no mattet musically correct. Run it by an Italian first. Maybe.
Coincidentally, I'm playing a wedding in two weeks time where one side is Italian. I'll use that opportunity to test things out.
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Old 06-23-2016, 05:28 AM   #8
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I see what you mean by shooting off in a different direction halfway through!

After the first 16 bar section the tune modulates.

Yes you can just play the first 16 bars below... it will serve, I think.

It fits perfectly on the chanter save for one Low F which has to be played up an octave, in boldface below.

All note substitutions are in boldface. I've not indicated timing, but I put in the barlines /

la / la b la f / f hg f f / ha hg f e / f e d la /

/ la b la f / f hg f f / ha hg f e / f e d f /

/ f c d e / d c b d / c d e f / f hg la /

/ la b la f / f hg f f / ha hg f ha e ha / d /

For the last 16 bars you'll need to be capable of fingering C natural (cnat) on the chanter, for example the first note of the second bar. The last note of that bar is the pipes' ordinary c.

Finger Cnat like this:

x xxx xoxo

It works on most chanters, my McCallums for example. It wont' work on my G1 chanter though.

Pay careful attention to the C's, as you see half are C natural and half are the pipes' ordinary C.

/ b b b la / cnat b d d d c / e d d d e f / hg b cnat e d b /

/ cnat la la la la b / b la cnat cnat cnat b / d cnat ha ha hg / f f e d d cnat /

/ b b b b c / c b b b la lg / la f b b b c / c b b b la lg / f b b b la /

/ cnat b d d c d / f e e e f hg la / b b b ha ha ha / hg hg //
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Old 06-23-2016, 10:11 AM   #9
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Brilliant. Thanks.
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Old 06-24-2016, 07:26 AM   #10
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Since I woke up too early to make any noise around the house, I transcribed the score from a couple different sources into ABC notation and transposed it to D major. Seems to work pretty well. The second part has some weird timings.
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